Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble

[M.B.E.]

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If multiple players bust when
going hand for hand either at the same table or different tables the money is divided equally regardless of how many chips you started with.
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This is
at least the procedure used in all of the So. Ca. casinos
and at the WSOP.

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No, the WSOP did not use that procedure this year. (At least, not consistently.) In a WSOP tournament I played, when two players busted out at different tables at a point when there was a jump in the prize money, the player who began with the hand with the larger stack got the bigger prize.

[sirio11]

Well, I just talked with Jack McClelland and of course they won't change a thing; but he gave me a comp dinner for 4 though; I guess my most expensive dinner ever.

Well, lesson learned, even if it sucked I should have waited for a direct statement from the tournament director at that point before calling with my chips. I'm pretty sure he didn't say a word when I asked because he didn't want to affect the other 2 players, but still I didn't have to act and I should have demanded an answer from him before acting.

I'm pretty sure my internet background affected me in this one. When the guy went out in the other table in the internet that's an automatic 20th place and then hand by hand start, since the other guy in my table has almost no chips, that was an automatic 19th in my head, for some reason, I still asked !! but in the heat of the moment and with so many people talking I took the lack of answer by the floor as a confirmation of what everybody was saying; a $4640 mistake I'm pretty sure the other 2 guys in the bubble really apprecciate.

On a more important thing, I really need to work in my enjoying of tournaments results; when I'm playing I feel great, but after my 4th place finish and this bubble I felt so frustrated. Twice in the money out of 6 tournaments played and I feel so bummed; how sick is that.

[ansky451]

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Twice in the money out of 6 tournaments played and I feel so bummed; how sick is that.


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Ambition is a good thing. Good luck in the main event.

[betgo]

I realize $4K is a lot of money, but you really shouldn't worry so much about the bubble anyway. You should be playing for the top spots at the final table.

If I am multitabling a $20 online 20-table tournament, I am not going to be too concerned about getting $40 for making the 2nd table. I am looking for the $1080 for 1st and the other top prizes. Similarly for a $300 live tournament. Just because the stakes are bigger, you shouldn't let the bubble cloud your judgement.

Congratulations on a good finish in a big tournament.

[Exitonly]

uh..

you absolutely should let the bubble "cloud your judgement" if thats what it takes to make the best decision. The bubble isn't to be just ignored. Yes first place is a lot of money, but that doesnt mean you just ignore 1.5 or so buyins that you could get just by folding.

[sirio11]

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but you really shouldn't worry so much about the bubble anyway. You should be playing for the top spots at the final table.

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Huh?

So, I have a short stack and raised with 77 UTG !! with 20 players left and then called JC Tran bet in the flop based on my read and I'm concerned about the bubble [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

That said, you should make decisions that make you the most money at all the points in a tournament. If you are in the bubble you make decisions about the bubble situation, because they are clear and of course you're still trying to maximize your chances to win the tournament; but I think you can't decide to win a tournament with 20 people left.

Some of you guys act like when in the bubble and faced with a decision the options are:

a) Caring about the bubble, making the money and not winning the tournament ever because you care about the bubble

b) Not caring about the bubble, taking risks even stupid ones and winning the tournament because you're some kind of poker superhero who just cares about winning the tournament

I can assure you that the problem is a little more complex than that.

[betgo]

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uh..

you absolutely should let the bubble "cloud your judgement" if thats what it takes to make the best decision. The bubble isn't to be just ignored. Yes first place is a lot of money, but that doesnt mean you just ignore 1.5 or so buyins that you could get just by folding.

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The 1.5 buyins has some value, but when you are this close to the big money, it shouldn't be your main consideration about folding a hand where you are not sure if you are ahead. If hero called and won this hand, he probably would have had a good chance at the final table and much buger money.

This is not to say I think the call was correct. I am not as good a player as OP, but I wouldn't have played this hand as he did on any street.

[citanul]

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uh..

you absolutely should let the bubble "cloud your judgement" if thats what it takes to make the best decision. The bubble isn't to be just ignored. Yes first place is a lot of money, but that doesnt mean you just ignore 1.5 or so buyins that you could get just by folding.

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The 1.5 buyins has some value, but when you are this close to the big money, it shouldn't be your main consideration about folding a hand where you are not sure if you are ahead. If hero called and won this hand, he probably would have had a good chance at the final table and much buger money.

This is not to say I think the call was correct. I am not as good a player as OP, but I wouldn't have played this hand as he did on any street.

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didn't OP say that he wasn't anywhere close to the "big money" betgo, your reasoning seems really, really bad here.

[betgo]

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uh..

you absolutely should let the bubble "cloud your judgement" if thats what it takes to make the best decision. The bubble isn't to be just ignored. Yes first place is a lot of money, but that doesnt mean you just ignore 1.5 or so buyins that you could get just by folding.

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The 1.5 buyins has some value, but when you are this close to the big money, it shouldn't be your main consideration about folding a hand where you are not sure if you are ahead. If hero called and won this hand, he probably would have had a good chance at the final table and much buger money.

This is not to say I think the call was correct. I am not as good a player as OP, but I wouldn't have played this hand as he did on any street.

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didn't OP say that he wasn't anywhere close to the "big money" betgo, your reasoning seems really, really bad here.

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If he wins the hand, he has 70K with 1K/2K blinds. I assume that would rank him fairly high with 18 players left and 9 for the final table. It seems to me that he would have had a good shot at the top places. I assume first prize was like $200K. I know $4K seems like lot, but it is not by comparison.

When I multitable $20 180-player SNGs, I don't concern myself much with the $40 for the 2nd table. I am playing for several hundred dollars. Same thing if I play in a $300 side event. The prize structure is similar. I don't see how the strategy changes if you multiply the numbers by 10 or 150.

That's the way I have found works in playing tournaments this size. I play for the top spots at the final table and don't worry much about cashing.

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i don't think anyone is arguing that he should play for first. but you dont do that by ignoring the bubble. I'm just saying it should be included in his thinking (and it was) when he has a decision to make.