Is there a decent book on Internet Poker?

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I love it when people don't even take the time to READ what has been said. I did not say that multitabling increases your variance.

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if you only played one table at a time you would probably be fine strictly following Miller's guidelines.

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If you multitable however, and did not for the most part stick to "your" game style, while making some small (or not so small) adjustments (taken from Miller's book) that you would likely experience the dark side of variance so to speak.

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I read what was said, and I got the same impression from your post as CORed did. FWIW it's a common misconception that multi-tabling increases variance, and even if as it turns out you both agree that it doesn't, it's worth clarifying that point for others reading this thread.

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When I'm at a Casino I probably only get dealt 30-40 hands per hour. My flop percentage is probably 30-35% because if it wasn't I would be falling asleep.

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So that's a VPIP of 25-30 or so? That's probably higher than if you used the SSH tight chart (which most agree is what would apply online) -- I'm looser than that chart and my VPIP is still sub-20. So this seems less like an SSH thing and more like a personal adjustment.

Personally after multi-tabling online I find B&M to be pretty boring after a few hours of live play. I did notice on my last trip to Foxwoods a woman sitting between two slot machines playing both at once. Perhaps something similar for live poker tables should be introduced as an innovation [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[itsmarty]

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but then again I don't chase down AA with 54 suited like you

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It was 34 suited, thank you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But yeah, nobody's ever going to base a strategy on my play at 1-2.

Martin

[ElSapo]

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When I'm at a Casino I probably only get dealt 30-40 hands per hour. My flop percentage is probably 30-35% because if it wasn't I would be falling asleep. If my flop percentage online was 30-35% I would likely be getting killed. When you are getting dealt 70-80 hands per table per hour you can afford to (and must) play tighter. My online flop percentage would be less than 20% and that is 3-4 tabling.

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How many flops you should see is dependent on a lot of factors -- hands dealt/hour is not one of them.

If you're saying that the quality of your play degrades so much playing in a slower live game because you get bored that your EV actually increases by playing more hands than you should, then my advice is to work on your patience.

ElSapo

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If you can explain to me why playing 30-35% of your hands will get you killed online, but not in a B&amp;M, I can accept it. B&amp;M games are usually looser than online games at the same stakes, but this is offset by the higher rakes at B&amp;M, especially for low limit games. Playing more hands because of boredom is pretty foolish. If it's -EV to play a hand, you shouldn't play it. If that means you don't play anything but blinds for an hour, that's the price you play to be a winning player in a B&amp;M game.

[busguy]

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If you can explain to me why playing 30-35% of your hands will get you killed online, but not in a B&amp;M, I can accept it.

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Do I really have to explain this to you or are you just trying to ascertain whether I have a clue or not ?

Why do you think SSHE (who many 2+2'ers seem to be disciples of) has a tight chart and a loose chart. I think the loose chart would apply well to most B&amp;M play and the tight chart applies very well to online play. The main difference in the charts imo is the play of marginal hands.

B&amp;M games tend to be a limp fest so you can play more marginal hands because you generaly get to see the flop cheaper.

The aggressiveness of on-line play alone can cost you a lot of money if you play too many marginal hands in the wrong situations.

Online you see so many more hands per hour than live play, if you are not more selective with your starting hand requirements you will very likely be leaking away money.

In a B&amp;M game, hands like K8 suited and Q9 suited are monsters (not really . . . but I'm trying to make a point here) but are definitely playable in most cases. In on-line play I would say that they are only playable in a limited number of spots.

Let's take a hand like J9 suited. I would call this a marginal hand. If I play it whenever I get it in a B&amp;M, I may only get to play it once a session or maybe only once every couple of sessions. Even as a marginal hand it won't cost me a whole lot in any particular session. On-line however if I always play J9 suited, I may get the opportunity (especially if multitabling) to play it 3 or 4 times a night. Playing it every time could cost me a fair amount in any one session. So if I play this and all the other marginal hands the majority of the time I get them online, I'm feel I would be setting myself up for a tough night.

Again this is my opinion. I play fairly tight. I play my strong hands very aggressively and I pick my spots with marginal hands. My starting hand requirements are tighter than the SSHE tight chart. I don't play Axs in middle position. I don't play hands like Q9s or J9s in middle position. I rarely call out of the small blind with Kxs or Qxs unless I'm gettings the proper odds. This may not be how you play but it has work VERY successfully for me. If you play differently then great. There as many ways to play and be successful at poker. My opinion was that if you are not a SOLID player, who knows how to get away from a hand, that playing too many hands (which 35% is in my opinion) will get you killed over the long run in the online game.

My believe is that winning Poker is all about money management. Win as much as you can with your winners and lose as little as you can with your losers. Try to leak away as little as possible so that your winning hands give you the best chance of being up at the end of the night . . . even on an off night.


Again . . . only my 2 cents . . . but hopefully enough to satsify your query.


[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] busguy

oh and for what it is worth I totally used the term "variance" incorrectly in my posts above. It was early, and my head was cleary up my . . . What I meant to say was "fluctuations".

oh . . . and with the above in mind . . . if we are in a game together . . . and I raise . . . you should fold [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]