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#31
10-03-2005, 04:50 PM
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Re: 5-10 NL straight flush draw
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If you made pot sized raise on flop, you would just have one pot sized bet on the turn and you would already be all-in and not having to worry about folding the best hand here. But as played, it looks like a fold. Too shallow and you are showing too much aggression for him to really think this is a good place to bluff. [/ QUOTE ] $165 is roughly pot-sized, in spots like this I raise $200 or $250. excuse me for asking but what is a PSB on the flop? 
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#32
10-03-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: RESULTS
my thinking here is a good player, that plays a solid game that isn't chip spewing and a "loser" in the game(as our player here is), makes this move i then consider laying it down. still not saying that i would, it would depend on the situation, but in this case with the player described and the odds the pot is laying.. i don't fold.
if you're wrong, it'll be much easier to recoup the loss from the loser than the solid player
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#34
10-03-2005, 04:56 PM
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Re: RESULTS
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my thinking here is a good player, that plays a solid game that isn't chip spewing and a "loser" in the game(as our player here is), makes this move i then consider laying it down. [/ QUOTE ] yes, I understood that, but your thinking is wrong. A 'solid' player does not have more 'solid' hands. A 'solid' player has a wide range of hands. That's what makes him solid. It's hard to put him on a hand. So you have to lay down LESS often, not MORE. Which is why they get paid off MORE. Which is why they are solid in the first place. They make more money. Because they pull more moves. So they get paid more. If the guy is a loser in the game, it is likely because he is too straightforward. Which means that he has a narrow hand range. Which means that you can read his hand more easily. Which means that you can fold here. Which means he doesn't get paid off. Which is why he is a loser. If you do not understand these very fundamental concepts, I don't know what else I can say.
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#35
10-03-2005, 04:57 PM
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Re: 5-10 NL straight flush draw
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[ QUOTE ] If you made pot sized raise on flop, you would just have one pot sized bet on the turn and you would already be all-in and not having to worry about folding the best hand here. But as played, it looks like a fold. Too shallow and you are showing too much aggression for him to really think this is a good place to bluff. [/ QUOTE ] $165 is roughly pot-sized, in spots like this I raise $200 or $250. excuse me for asking but what is a PSB on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] $115 on flop, $50 bet, $50 call = $215 pot. So PSB = raise another $215 = make it $265 to go.
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#36
10-03-2005, 05:14 PM
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Re: RESULTS
i agree with you on some point and not on others...
in a donkfest game with maybe 1 or 2 good players and the rest total softies... why would i want to take a marginal spot with one of the few people at the table that are good? i'd pick a better spot. if you do make a misplay/misread/get unlucky against one of the softies, it's going to be a lot easier to recoup from them than the good players in a game that is SOLID, i agree with you a lot more here... going to have to get toe to toe with them in that game, but i just don't see it being +EV to get involved with a GOOD player in a field of ATMs
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