My Truth, Your Truth, The Truth

[imported_luckyme]

I've never bought into the "Your Truth/My Truth" view of the Reality. I say, "Play the surveillance camera tape."
There is an external reality, I'm trying to sneak up to it as close as I can. There isn't a separate one that you can sneak up on.
"Close" is as good as it gets.

[Brom]

The truth>my truth>your truth.
Doesn't really add much, but im sure that's how most people feel, maybe a few deluded ones would rank them my>the>your.

[imported_luckyme]

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The truth>my truth>your truth.
Doesn't really add much, but im sure that's how most people feel, maybe a few deluded ones would rank them my>the>your.

[/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure, my sample size is too small. There seems a decent chunk of people that defend a Your or My or His and don't seem to acknowledge 'THE'. I sometimes describe it to them as what's left if everybody on earth drank the Jonestown koolaid.

[Double Down]

I believe quantum mechanics shows that nothing exists until it is observed. Therefore, even if everyone drank the koolaid, other things with a consciousness would observe the world and it would exist.

[Borodog]

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I believe quantum mechanics shows that nothing exists until it is observed.

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No, it doesn't.

I think when people use this expression they're generally talking about motivations/beliefs/interpretions of events. It's only truly mentally ill people that are using it in a literal sense (eg. their 'truth' is that they've met the Pope when they haven't).

That expression irritates me too though. It's obviously valid to say event A leads to action A in one person and action B in another, due to different and subjective interpretations of previous events. But my experience is that on the most part, people who come up with that line are using it as a fluffy rationalisation for things they know don't make sense and/or they shouldn't be doing, and aren't particularly interested in leaving that comfort bubble.

And string theory does almost, sorta, maybe, show that - but two big things to bear in mind:

a. Those externals things do then exist externally, which is very different from an hallucination of some kind.
b. String theory though interesting is poorly understood and so far mostly unproven.

[RJT]

Since today marks 25 years since John Lennon was killed, I thought the following seemed appropriate (what can I say, I am a fan):


Give Me Some Truth
- John Lennon

I’m sick and tired of hearing
Things
From uptight-short sighted-
Narrow minded hypocritics

All I want is the truth
Just give me some truth

I’ve had enough of reading
Things
By nuerotic-pyschotic-
Pig headed politicians

All I want is the truth
Just give me some truth

No short haired-yellow bellied
Son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard
Soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope

I’m sick to death of seeing
Things
From tight lipped-
Condescending -mommies little
Chauvinists

All I want is the truth
Just give me some truth

I’ve had enough of watching
Scenes
Of schizophrenic - ego - centric
- paranoic - prima - donnas

All I want is the truth
Just give me some truth

[imported_luckyme]

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I think when people use this expression they're generally talking about motivations/beliefs/interpretions of events.

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a. Those externals things do then exist externally, which is very different from an hallucination of some kind.

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My statement is very basic, koolaid aside. There is one external, relativistic reality. Our individual reaction to it and representation of it is not a version of the truth, it remains a mere representation.
For example, Evolution can be viewed in one sense as a testing ground for how well a species representation of that external reality actually correlates to it. Not a congruency, naturally, but if your species is poor at correlating critical events and entities with the underlying truth of them then you'll be eating coal and burning rabbits too often for your own good.
It's not the 'truth' of the representation that matters it's the dependabiity of it correlation.

[Rduke55]

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I believe quantum mechanics shows that nothing exists until it is observed.

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No, it doesn't.

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Another agreement with you Boro (and I'm a fan of your avatar).
To Double Down. Does it matter what observes it? Did the universe exist before we existed?

[Double Down]

"Did the universe exist before we existed?"

What do you mean by we? Humans? All life on earth? What?