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Old 09-13-2005, 08:39 PM
Jack Bando Jack Bando is offline
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Default AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 (t38267)
MP1 (t13318)
MP2 (t26092)
MP3 (t8143)
CO (t48044)
Button (t42274)
Hero (t20610)
BB (t24652)
UTG (t31228)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t2000, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls t2000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t6000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls t4000, MP3 calls t4000.

Flop: (t18800) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t2043 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t2043, UTG folds.

Turn: (t22886) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t22886) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t22886

Winning hand was KQ, raiser had 88

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t20567)
MP3 (t15418)
CO (t48092)
Button (t28286)
SB (t45344)
BB (t33531)
Hero (t18910)
UTG+1 (t20952)
MP1 (t21528)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t8000</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t8000, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t14000</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t6000, MP1 calls t6000.

Flop: (t42700) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t4810 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t7428</font>, CO calls t7428.

Turn: (t62366) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t62366) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t62366

Winner had KK (Reraiser) and other guy had 66
(These hands did occur within seven minutes of each other.)

My main problem with hand one seems to be more results based (" If only I stayed in, I wouldn't have been in have been out on the AQ hand)
The second hand I feel the only mistake I made was not pushing preflop, the result would have been the same, but I think it would have been the better overall move. Almost no one would fold for an extra 4K with the pot that big.

Can anyone help me out here?
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:51 PM
Hotrod0823 Hotrod0823 is offline
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Default Re: AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

Hate the PF fold with AKs and 10BB, and would be pushing AQx UTG with ~9.5BB.

What are you waiting to play AA and KK ?
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:21 AM
juris juris is offline
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Default Re: AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

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Hate the PF fold with AKs and 10BB, and would be pushing AQx UTG with ~9.5BB.

What are you waiting to play AA and KK ?

[/ QUOTE ]

What he said. Waaaayyyy to weak.

I mean this honestly: Why did you fold the AK? Did you want to advance another spot and not get into a coinflip? Did you have the ability to repeatedly steal blinds as the first in the pot and this type of action was unusual for the table? Those would be reasons to consider, but I still think the push is appropriate with stack and blind sizes at that point.
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:45 AM
Crispy Crispy is offline
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Default Re: AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

Agreed, you should have pushed the first hand. Second hand, well thems the breaks.
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Old 09-14-2005, 04:46 AM
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Default Re: AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

push both no doubt... hand 1 i dont know what you were thinking.. it was only one raise. And hand 2 your only bet size PF when you have less than 10bb's in your stack is ALL-IN.
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Old 09-14-2005, 04:56 AM
ansky451 ansky451 is offline
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Default Re: AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A.
UTG calls t2000, 3 folds, MP3 calls t2000, 1 fold, Button raises to t6000, 2 folds, UTG calls t4000, MP3 calls t4000.

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wow.

Easy easy easy easy push there.
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Old 09-14-2005, 12:03 PM
gobboboy gobboboy is offline
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Default Re: AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

My opponent has to show me KK or AA to make me lay down the first hand, and I *still* might call.

(Don't flame me, you know I'm joking)
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Old 09-14-2005, 12:11 PM
grandgnu grandgnu is offline
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Default Re: AKs and AQo mid-late in a large MTT (Stars-$2-0)

In both hands you should be usually pushing pre-flop. Anytime I'm down to about 10x the BB, I'm pushing if I play a hand. I just don't have enough chips to make a raise and then consider folding.

In the first hand, after you flop top pair, top kicker, folding for a 2K bet into an 18K pot is just plain ludicrous! The odds are huge in your favor, and you should be getting all your money in there.

In scenerio two, you've committed almost half your chips with the raise. If you're going to committ half your chips pre-flop, you might as well committ them all and give yourself a better chance of pushing another player out of the pot. Unfortunately in that spot, the pocket Kings aren't going anywhere, but you have to make a stand when you're down to 10x the BB or less, and A/Q is strong enough to do that.
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