Turn Problem

Weatherhead03 · #1 10-03-2005, 02:05 AM

UTG is a fish. 79/0 after about 40. UTG+1 is a too tight not aggressive enough 16/8 after 1600 or so. Button is very loose and aggressive with 79/10 after about 40.

My main question is do I still fire the turn after my two pair countered? Especially into three callers.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero??

DCWildcat · #2 10-03-2005, 02:08 AM

I'd pump the turn again, you've still got a good hand.

sean c · #3 10-03-2005, 09:12 AM

Bet. With a made hand on such draw heavy boards you never want to check and give a free card. There is still a good chance you have the best hand and giving a free card blows. Against decent or straight foward players I probably bet/fold the turn but against fish,lags or tricky players i would probably bet/call and see what the river brings but checking here is a no no.

Also if the other two players have good draws they will pay off on the turn but probably wouldn't on the river if they miss.

lautzutao · #4 10-03-2005, 09:24 AM

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I'd pump the turn again, you've still got a good hand.

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How do you handle a raise? Even a draw can raise here and put the rest of the field to the test if nobody has a king. Just call the rest of the way down?

imported_The Vibesman · #5 10-03-2005, 09:29 AM

If UTG is a fish, a read on BB would help here. I'll keep betting this until I run into opposition. If I'm raised on the turn, I'm probably just dropping quick, as facing a raise, my best case (apart from a bluff on a draw) is that I'm facing a split, and the pot is still small.

Duerig · #6 10-03-2005, 10:06 AM

I think this is usually a value bet.

OrianasDaad · #7 10-03-2005, 10:22 AM

Not a turn problem, a flop problem.

Button is LAG, you say? Check the flop, and if it's checked to him, he will bet it a huge percentage of the time. Maniacs like real estate bets. Check-raise the flop. If it's checked through, then a turn bet will probably pick up a small pot. If one of the other players bets the flop, then evaluate from there.

Here are the lines I'd take if it were raised after I bet on the turn.

Turn:
-Hero bets, BB raises, .... Hero folds.
-Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Hero folds.
-Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, Hero calls.

You absolutely have to bet here unless you are on a check/fold line, which you shouldn't be, yet.

The problem here is that when you are called on the turn, you still don't know where you are at in the hand. Using the flop to help define your hand will make decisions easier on the big streets.

POKhER · #8 10-03-2005, 11:05 AM

When you give us PT stats do the full thing... being:
VPIP/PFR/AF - AF IS SO IMPORTANT!!!!

Whats BB's stats?
UTG+1 Doesnt exsist?

Ill bet out, then re-evaluate after they've acted. Taking into account there AF of course.

POKhER.