reckless, ridiculous, or good application

badonkadonk · #1 04-05-2005, 07:48 PM

I have seen BB defend his blind a few times. he doesn't like limpers. I figure if he raises and I come over the top I can probably get him off because he would be going broke. if he doesn't raise i have a decent hand to see a flop with and if he does call my push i still have a fairly decent hand. is this an ok line of thinking?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Button (t1442)
SB (t1055)
BB (t2256)
UTG (t5720)
Hero (t3027)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls t200, 2 folds, BB raises to t800, Hero raises to t3027, BB calls t1431 (All-In).

Flop: (t5333) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t5333) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t5333) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t5333

raptor517 · #2 04-05-2005, 07:51 PM

yuck. why limp to begin with? there is just no need to do that. you have a very healthy stack, and can find much better spots. 3uo

Unarmed · #3 04-05-2005, 08:23 PM

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yuck. why limp to begin with? there is just no need to do that. you have a very healthy stack, and can find much better spots. 3uo

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You're folding QJs 5-handed here?
Just curious... I raise to 500.

deacsoft · #4 04-05-2005, 08:41 PM

I would not open-limp with anything and the limp-raise is the worst play in poker.

Irieguy · #5 04-05-2005, 09:09 PM

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yuck. why limp to begin with? there is just no need to do that. you have a very healthy stack, and can find much better spots. 3uo

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You're folding QJs 5-handed here?
Just curious... I raise to 500.

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The most important mistake to avoid when the blinds are high is getting outplayed by accident. A raise to 500 makes it nearly impossible to play the hand correctly unless you are lucky enough to win the blinds; and in that case a push would have won them too without any threat of being forced into a mistake.

...and that's why you should just fold.

Irieguy

spentrent · #6 04-05-2005, 09:31 PM

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... and the limp-raise is the worst play in poker.

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WHAT AN OVERSTATEMENT!

Limp-reraise is a NECESSITY in EP with AA|KK against a table of aggressive players some percentage of the time.

The play definitely loses most of its value against a table full of loose-passive morons but to eliminate it completely from your playbook COSTS YOU MONEY.

Please elaborate on your statement and help me to solve the error of my ways.

deacsoft · #7 04-05-2005, 09:54 PM

Would you limp-raise in EP with:
Q-Ts?
K-8s?
J-6o?
5-4s?
7-7?
J-J?
A-A?
K-K?

deacsoft · #8 04-05-2005, 10:01 PM

Nice avatar.

spentrent · #9 04-05-2005, 10:03 PM

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Would you limp-raise in EP with:
Q-Ts?
K-8s?
J-6o?
5-4s?
7-7?
J-J?
A-A?
K-K?

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Aren't you responding to a post with the answer to that question?

EDIT: BTW, your post isn't quite an "elaboration."

deacsoft · #10 04-05-2005, 10:06 PM

I'm asking you which of those hands you'd limp-raise with.