Tight Play

[Gene2x]

Is anyone playing 15% VPIP and doing well at six-max (full table)? I just saw a chart with the results after 500,000 hands real money play for what I assume is several hundred players. The only hands that the average player made money with were in the top 15%.

You'd think the blind is coming around too quickly to play that tight. I average 45% VPIP myself- almost always taking the initiative from the button, almost never folding BB to a single raise, using position and player reads to make bluffs, etc.

[POKhER]

45% VPIP? Jeeeeeeeeezzzz thats high IMO but hey if you win longterm cool.

Im 21/10 so far(limited sample size)

[Gene2x]

What do you mean by 21/10? 21 BB per 100 hands at 15% VPIP?

As for how I'm doing at 45% VPIP: After 7,000 hands, I'm doing well (don't want to be specific because number is unrealistic over long term).

[waffle]

21/10 means vpip 21, pfr 10.

vpip > 40 is definitely too loose if you're playing a lot of 5, 6 handed.

dude with pfr = 10 should raise more preflop.

the "gold standard" that this forum agrees is best ranges anywhere between 20/14 and 30/20.

[mackthefork]

I have tuned up to 24/15.8 I lose a little with most of the small aces though, even suited, also most small pairs are slight losers.

Mack

[POKhER]

When ive logged 10k(Although i may move to 1/2 at 5k of .50/1 as i need to speed up and get to decent stakes!).

I'll repost, i may losen when i got 10K in stats, Depends on my win rate i guess and if im comfortable playing trickier situations post flop. Also on my oppisition.

Bonus clearence has been my main priority so this will affect my stats(Multi tabling, no stats on the players, some supports unsupporting PA etc, New site so i feel uncomfortable so play tighter etc).

Anyhow, i think "Optimum stats" is a stupid thing to aim for and maybe even discuss. 30/15 may make a 5BB/100 for 100 000 hands for guy A, But a -10BB/100 loser for guy B.

It guess it comes down to your natural tendencies and of course the main thing is post flop skill(and how loose your opponents are, party will be different to UB...)

[mackthefork]

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Anyhow, i think "Optimum stats" is a stupid thing to aim for and maybe even discuss. 30/15 may make a 5BB/100 for 100 000 hands for guy A, But a -10BB/100 loser for guy B.


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I do agree with this, I am playing 50/1 also at the moment, at 6 max only a sort of rebuild after unfortunate spell at 1/2 and a lack of confidence. I may be running good, like I said I'm at 24% vpip 15.8% pfr, my went to SD is 36.5% and my win$ at SD is around 53.5%, aggression is 2.7 AF. I haven't really aimed for these I'm just using a chart as a framework to build an idea on really and playing post flop in the way I prefer to against weak non-tricky opponents. Like you I probably will move up to 1/2 again at 10k hands, or maybe 20k, as I have over 4000 bets at this level in my current bankroll, and this is more of a learning experience than anything else.

Regards Mack

[Obliky]

Generally...

15% is too tight.

45% is too loose.

Im about 26ish.

[axioma]

from the description of your play i find it *very* hard to accept you are even a winning player. nothing personal, just trying to answer your question.

anyay, yes 15% is far to tight. on average you say people are only profiting on the top 15% of hands, but this is very easy to explain because on average people arent very good at this game. simple.

the further above average you are, the more hands you can play profitably - but 45% is just far too high for pretty much anyone.

[Gene2x]

Well, here are my numbers straight from PT. Isn't anyone else profitable above 30% VPIP?