$11s - Two Hands

#1 08-19-2005, 06:00 PM

First time I'm OP, so feel free to tear my play apart or what not. Here are the hands:

***** Hand History for Game 2562424149 *****
75/150 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 14979695) - Fri Aug 19 17:13:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 11075 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Martin1305 (1909)
Seat 2: scooby24tz (2170)
Seat 3: dakotaman78 (585)
Seat 4: geoharso (1620)
Seat 5: BudandBeer (415)
Seat 9: thebreakz (600)
Seat 10: jyl2010 (701)
scooby24tz posts small blind (75)
dakotaman78 posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to thebreakz [ Ts, Tc ]
geoharso raises (350) to 350
BudandBeer folds.
thebreakz ??

And hand number two, in its fully converted glory, is here:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (6 handed) converter

CO (t1359)
Button (t2159)
SB (t570)
BB (t1110)
Hero (t955)
MP (t1847)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t955 (All-In), 3 folds, SB calls t420 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t1825) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t1825) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1825) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1825

Again, feel free to comment--as long as you post reasons for why. Don't just give me "Push here." Thanks to all.

EDIT: Blinds messed up on hand #1.

#2 08-19-2005, 06:10 PM

Harrington says use caution with middle pairs when you are UTG. He says to limp 80% of the time and raise 20% of the time.

#3 08-19-2005, 06:13 PM

Hand #1, I'm all-in. Chance to double up plus the blinds. Hopefully nobody else calls and you are a slight favorite to two overcards. No better time than the present with you having less than 5xBB.

Hand #2, not sure. With you about to lose almost half your stack to the blinds, I think you made the right move.

Looking forward to other comments.

#4 08-19-2005, 06:14 PM

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Harrington says use caution with middle pairs when you are UTG. He says to limp 80% of the time and raise 20% of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]That's a full-table rule that has no application to this situation.

#5 08-19-2005, 06:19 PM

Did the SB just fold his BB hand to a raise or was it folded to him? If he just had to toss his BB I believe his propensity to call here will be much greater.

But I don't mind the move since the blinds are really going to hurt you. Chances are any call will be a race and you have some fold equity. I would have done the same thing.

edit: hand 2 obviously

mlagoo · #6 08-19-2005, 06:20 PM

I think the second one is a clear/easy push, and the first one is a marginal push.

With the second one, you're about to lose half your stack (and all your FE) to the blinds, and you've got a decent hand. I'm sticking it in here everytime. That Harrington comment does not even remotely apply here.

The first one is trickier. An UTG raise from a player who could just as easily have pushed (although 11 donks don't always know this), but a player who doesn't really have enough chips that he'd be bullying from UTG. I don't think you're often going to be better than a coinflip here. I think it's a push, but it's close. With no read, I'd put his range at AJ+, KQ, 88+. Not too hot for pushing with TT with no FE. =/

RicP · #7 08-19-2005, 06:20 PM

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***** Hand History for Game 2562424149 *****
150/300 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 14979695) -

<snip>
dakotaman78 posts big blind (150)
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[/ QUOTE ]
??

Hand 1:

Is the Big Blind 150 or 300?

Either way you are less than 10 BB and 2 away from hitting the BB Decreasing your FE even more. Your reads would tell you more about what this raise means but my guess is overs and you are a flip. I don't know how you could not shove it in here. You either need those chips or bust out to start another.

Hand 2:

Kinda the same postion as Hand one.... you are less than 10 BB (like 3BB's) with a hand.

With calling ranges of
22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs

ICM says push by a large margin (+2.2%)

youngfor3 · #8 08-19-2005, 06:39 PM

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The first one is trickier. An UTG raise from a player who could just as easily have pushed (although 11 donks don't always know this), but a player who doesn't really have enough chips that he'd be bullying from UTG. I don't think you're often going to be better than a coinflip here. I think it's a push, but it's close. With no read, I'd put his range at AJ+, KQ, 88+. Not too hot for pushing with TT with no FE. =/

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In an $11 I think you can broaden villain's range to A9s+, 66+, KJ.

I would push this every time in an $11 and expect villian flip up A-10 or sevens.

UTG raises in an $11 Sit-n-Go doesn't always mean the villain has a monster. It just means the villain has a hand he sort of likes. Your chip situation is desperate and this is the spot to push.

yabastid · #9 08-19-2005, 06:52 PM

[ QUOTE ]
First time I'm OP, so feel free to tear my play apart or what not. Here are the hands:

***** Hand History for Game 2562424149 *****
75/150 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 14979695) - Fri Aug 19 17:13:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 11075 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Martin1305 (1909)
Seat 2: scooby24tz (2170)
Seat 3: dakotaman78 (585)
Seat 4: geoharso (1620)
Seat 5: BudandBeer (415)
Seat 9: thebreakz (600)
Seat 10: jyl2010 (701)
scooby24tz posts small blind (75)
dakotaman78 posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to thebreakz [ Ts, Tc ]
geoharso raises (350) to 350
BudandBeer folds.
thebreakz ??

And hand number two, in its fully converted glory, is here:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (6 handed) converter

CO (t1359)
Button (t2159)
SB (t570)
BB (t1110)
Hero (t955)
MP (t1847)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t955 (All-In), 3 folds, SB calls t420 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t1825) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t1825) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1825) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1825

Again, feel free to comment--as long as you post reasons for why. Don't just give me "Push here." Thanks to all.

EDIT: Blinds messed up on hand #1.

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I can't see folding hand number 1 even with all the other shorties around. You have to make a move at some point and 1010 looks pretty darn good. With 4 BBs and two hands from the BB this is instapush for me.

Hand 2 I push as well. If you don't you could be looking at just 1.5 BBs in 2 hands. Not pushing is a mistake I think.

#10 08-19-2005, 06:56 PM

Hand 1:

I pegged villain on a tighter range due to position. I got the impression that he knew what he was doing, and an UTG raise for 2.3BB looks like it wants to be called--if he wanted to capitalize on his FE, he would've raised higher. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

Looking back, I think a push here is better. Regardless of villain's range (whether we use your range or my possibly tighter range, whichever you like), I think this is a situational push: blinds are about to get to me, and I need to make a move now before the blinds become too overwhelming. Position isn't that great (especially with 6 ppl at lvl 7--pretty deep for $11s), however, but this is probably the best chance I get to make a move.

Hand 2:

I was almost positive that this was a push. I just wanted to double-check, seeing as how 66 is a lower pair than I'd normally shove with in a similar situation.

Again, thanks to all for comments. I'm new to online SNGs (and 2+2 in general), so I appreciate the insight. LMK if anyone wants the outcome of the hands.