3-bet this AK on the turn?

Xiphoid · #1 08-10-2005, 01:26 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero...

CO's VPIP is 32% over 100 hands with unknown aggression. How do I weigh the pot being small to the times I'm good here?

Brunger · #2 08-10-2005, 01:28 AM

I am calling down but not even really liking my hand certainly not three-betting unless a known crazy.

ArturiusX · #3 08-10-2005, 01:34 AM

I'd normally 3-bet here, but he could be slowplaying a 4 since hes a poster. I'd call down.

LImitPlayer · #4 08-10-2005, 03:50 AM

3 betting here is spewing, You are leaving yourself open to it getting cspped if you 3 bet. Call it down.

Shillx · #5 08-10-2005, 04:54 AM

I would always check/raise this turn against the player you describe (somewhat reasonable).

Brad

MrEngenic · #6 08-10-2005, 05:06 AM

I would not 3 bet here, you are probably behind. Turn raises very often mean they can beat TPTK. Expect a bluff, a 4, KQ or AA. I would actually fold against many straightforward players! Maybe I've read Middle limit hold'em too much, they almost always recommend folding in spots like this. This is HU though and he is loose, so call down.

Shillx, why would you checkraise the turn against this player? Will you fold to a 3-bet?

Shillx · #7 08-10-2005, 05:11 AM

- Pot is small.
- He is probably drawing to just 2 outs.
- There is a decent chance that he will fold to a turn bet, but call a river bet.
- Our hand is tough to read and he might pay off with QJ or whatever.

Brad

MrEngenic · #8 08-10-2005, 05:17 AM

So, do you fold if he 3-bets?

MrEngenic · #9 08-10-2005, 05:42 AM

Here are my thoughts on this hand.

Against a LP I would bet because I can see him calling down with a worse hand.
Against a TAG I would check/call turn and donk the river because he would probably fold something like QJ on the turn if I bet or CR, but bet if checked to and call a river bet.
Against a LAG I like a CR if we can fold to a 3-bet.

In short:
A LAG will often bet behind on the turn with a worse hand AND call down a CR. A TAG will bet behind but not call down a CR with a worse hand and a LP won't bet behind. There are no draws out there so it's WA/WB, 2-3 outs for the player who is behind = free cards no big deal in this small pot.

edited for spelling

Shillx · #10 08-10-2005, 05:46 AM

This post is perfect IMO though I probably bet the turn against a LAG with the intention of getting 3-bets (a check/raise seems okay too though). I certainly like "slowplaying" against a TAG here though since they are a) capable of folding to a bet or check/raise and b) might have us toasted here when they call on this drawless flop. Good stuff.

Brad