KK with an A on the flop

Xiphoid · #1 07-24-2005, 11:06 PM

Just want to know if this is the standard line of play:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

toss · #2 07-24-2005, 11:21 PM

I'd give up on the river. I'd likely fold here too.

Harv72b · #3 07-24-2005, 11:31 PM

I'm checking the river, and calling 1 if MP3 bets and UTG+1 folds. But if you do bet it, you have to fold to MP3's A3 raise.

dantheman_05 · #4 07-24-2005, 11:44 PM

i like the turn bet, why bet the river? not betting it 4 value. i chk call river, but since u bet now u have to call b/c pot is big

Paxosmotic · #5 07-24-2005, 11:48 PM

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I'm checking the river, and calling 1 if MP3 bets and UTG+1 folds. But if you do bet it, you have to fold to MP3's A3 raise.

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Perfect. This is a very good example of when you do not want to overcall.

JacksonTens · #6 07-24-2005, 11:52 PM

No bet/fold in a pot of that size. What if MP3 was raise bluffing thinking that you were continuing a bluff on your preflop raise. There is no reason to suggest he has an ace, and if he does it is with a PK. You might be beat but you have to call. A read is very important here, but if he's justr an average Joe, I'd say 2 pair or a hopeless bluff are what you'll see here quite often.

JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Skip Brutale · #7 07-25-2005, 12:55 AM

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i like the turn bet, why bet the river? not betting it 4 value. i chk call river, but since u bet now u have to call b/c pot is big

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Why do you like the turn bet.

dantheman_05 · #8 07-25-2005, 01:37 AM

big pot, im trying to showdown cheap..and nobody has shown any strgnth so far..i say bet and fold to raise

elindauer · #9 07-25-2005, 01:52 AM

Why did you bet the flop? Why did you bet the turn? Why did you bet the river? I don't see the logic in any of these plays.

Good luck.
Eric

Skip Brutale · #10 07-25-2005, 01:55 AM

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big pot, im trying to showdown cheap..and nobody has shown any strgnth so far..i say bet and fold to raise

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If you want to showdown cheap, then why are you betting? Just think about what you basically told me. I am betting the turn, so I can showdown cheap. Does that make sense.