88 In a Protected Pot

** Game ID 603352994 starting - 2005-12-06 20:12:38
** Do It in the Road [Hold 'em] (10.00|20.00 Fixed Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- HowQuaint sitting in seat 1 with $1204.00
- TheBryce sitting in seat 2 with $1739.00
- cobra333 sitting in seat 3 with $37.00
- sv4nte sitting in seat 4 with $690.00
- River_r sitting in seat 5 with $433.00
- 2oops2 sitting in seat 6 with $2025.50 [Dealer]

HowQuaint posted the small blind - $5.00
TheBryce posted the big blind - $10.00
** Dealing card to TheBryce: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
cobra333 raised - $20.00
sv4nte called - $20.00
River_r folded
2oops2 folded
HowQuaint folded
TheBryce called - $20.00

** Dealing the flop: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
TheBryce checked
cobra333 bet - $10.00
sv4nte raised - $20.00


LPP chaser type (60/15/1.5) raises UTG leaving about 1.5 SB behind. Not great but semi-reasonable TAG type (29/16/2.0) cold calls and I call in the BB with 88. On the flop action is this a brainless re-raise bet/fold all the way? Should I consider 3 betting pre-flop?

[sthief09]

please dont post raw hh's

Anyone have a converter that works for BH?

[sthief09]

you dont need a converter

i like a flop bet. any read on sb? also 65/15/1.5 is loose aggressive not loose passive

[Lmn55d]

Interesting. I like your call preflop. Without a read that UTG would raise the flop frequently with overcards, I think checkraising is clearly the best play (assuming he continuation bets most of the time which most do).

What could TAG have? 66 or 77 seem like candidates. Would he coldcall with A9 or slowplay a big pair preflop? I think that J9s, Q9s, K9s are likely coldcalling hands. If he called with 22 or 33 I could also see him raising but a 29 VPIP probably dumps those. 99, 55, 44 are possible too but they would often call the flop. Plus a 16 PFR would probably reraise 99.

There is also a chance that you are behind UTG.

Since I think there are a lot more Q9, J9, K9 hands (there are 12 combos each of those but only 3 if we're talking suiteds) than there are 66/77/donk hands and because you might be behind UTG, I think this is a fold.

It really depends on his cold calling range though and might be close. My first instinct was reraise [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[Lmn55d]

3bet flop or fold? I'm interested in what you think.

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you dont need a converter

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I'm nub. It's the names that are the problem, right? Also, come decision time I was mostly weighing how often he'd cold call with a 9 against how often he'd try and isolate with an ace that he didn't 3 bet pre-flop. Couldn't really quantify it. He's the type that might only cold call once every thousand hands or so (so more than normal, but still barely ever).

I think Josh's got the best of it, and the line's to bet, let UTG go all in and then fold to a 3 bet from the CC, but I don't want to end the thread just yet.