Bet out or check/call the river?

[MrWookie47]

I think you bet out. You can fold to two bets back to you, and easily call one from UTG. If UTG calls and CO raises, you could almost fold., but I don't think I could make myself do it.

[@bsolute_luck]

i'll bet/call that river. those people really suck unless they have pocket 9s to be calling down with a straight draw here. you'll see 2 pair, and lower sets here enough times.

Flop comments in white so you don't have to read them if you don't want: <font color="white">not bet/3-betting(the new c/r) that flop gives these sucky gutshots very nice odds which is why even if they would have called all that betting on a gutshot or something, at least it would have been done "incorrectly".</font>

[car ramrod]

that flop is not very scary. I would rather check raise and trap the gutshots in than face them with 2 cold.

[shant]

I'd bet/call. If the CO raises I can't see you being good but you gave no reads so I call.

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that flop is not very scary. I would rather check raise and trap the gutshots in than face them with 2 cold.

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more flop comments in white: <font color="white"> yes but pot is big enough to fight for and they might cold call 2 here like they did preflop because the board isn't scary and get us more money. if they fold their gutshot, that's fine too.</font>

[milesdyson]

c/r flop

for value, because he'll never give you credit for a set, and because check calling the flop to check raise the turn is risky and stupid when it could get checked through

[Watain]

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I have no idea what CO is doing, but he doesn't get credit for a straight because he couldn't fold on the turn.

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Hi Aaron... Would you care to elaborate a little on that sentence?

I don't like this at all. You don't raise the flop against 3 opponents? Raise this. You have 3 callers ahead of you and they will all call your raise. Build the pot.

Then a 7 falls on the turn which helps an already fairly-coordinated board and now you cap? Against the same amount of opponents as on the flop? This just isn't it at all.

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Yeah, but the flop error is larger than the potential river error.

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I'm not looking for another long-winded debate over c/raising the flop. We've had enough of those threads over the years. I'm asking if I should bet out/call or check/call the river.

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But you can't have your cake and eat it too. The flop play is godawful. Don't discard everyone telling you to C/R the flop. Check/calling is the worst thing you can do here on this flop. Well, I guess Check/folding would be worse. But not much.

[milesdyson]

there's almost no way hero is up against a straight on the turn, and there's no reason why he shouldn't cap the turn.

i agree that check calling the flop is a disaster, but capping the turn is far and away the best move.