Q-high Flush

#1 11-06-2005, 11:19 AM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

After the river raise I put my opponent on a higher flush because I thought it was pretty obvious to him I had the flush (But after some more looking at this hand, he could have put me on AQ, AT or AJ too)

Should I have raised him once again? I think so. Or was the risk too high?

hizo1 · #2 11-06-2005, 11:29 AM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

After the river raise I put my opponent on a higher flush because I thought it was pretty obvious to him I had the flush (But after some more looking at this hand, he could have put me on AQ, AT or AJ too)

Should I have raised him once again? I think so. Or was the risk too high?

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Yes, go ahead and 3-bet this. Villain is only raising the river if he has a K or a flush. I don't think K-xs would have played it this way. The fact that you have the Q of clubs helps you greatly, since he cannot have KQ clubs. I think you are good here 99% of the time. That fact that you have an over caller should persuade you to 3-bet here as well.

Aaron_ · #3 11-06-2005, 11:30 AM

Reraise. I shoot myself in the foot a lot of the time by giving my opponent too much credit for a hand at the river. It looks like it's far more likely he has trips or a straight than he does Kx[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], given his betting thoughout.

#4 11-06-2005, 11:36 AM

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Reraise. I shoot myself in the foot a lot of the time by giving my opponent too much credit for a hand at the river. It looks like it's far more likely he has trips or a straight than he does Kx[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], given his betting thoughout.

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Same here. This is one of my major leaks. I give them too much credit. Most of the players don't look at my betting pattern, they just think: "WOW, A STRAIGHT" and raise anything.

In the future I should think more before making a call/raise on these kind of situations. I should rewind the tape of the hand and figure what kind of hands he could have.

_Kevin_ · #5 11-06-2005, 12:22 PM

Grunch.

I 3 bet here. You have the 2nd nuts and an overcaller. You really only need to be good more than 1/3 of the time (assuming the overcaller stays in) for the raise to be +EV. The only way I wouldn't is if I had a real good read on villian and knew he would only raise with the nuts. I'm guessing your good here a lot more than 1/2 the time. If he caps, I would call but expect to lose.

imported_CaseClosed326 · #6 11-06-2005, 03:25 PM

I agree with everyone you gotta three-bet here.

Felipe · #7 11-06-2005, 03:56 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

After the river raise I put my opponent on a higher flush because I thought it was pretty obvious to him I had the flush (But after some more looking at this hand, he could have put me on AQ, AT or AJ too)

Should I have raised him once again? I think so. Or was the risk too high?

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Reraise the river. How is he going to have a higher flush? the nut is K high flush. Unless he had KQclubs or KJ clubs. That's it!

Oh. any reads on UTG? tight? aggro? what?
I'd like to put him on a big ace, but no raise PF. Maybe QJo?????

all-in-all - reraise the river. you have second nuts. Don't look for MUTB.

Felipe · #8 11-06-2005, 03:57 PM

If he caps, I would call but expect to lose.

I don't think that's healthy. Just play right and don't expect anything, the money'll take care of itself.

hizo1 · #9 11-06-2005, 04:54 PM

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

After the river raise I put my opponent on a higher flush because I thought it was pretty obvious to him I had the flush (But after some more looking at this hand, he could have put me on AQ, AT or AJ too)

Should I have raised him once again? I think so. Or was the risk too high?

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Reraise the river. How is he going to have a higher flush? the nut is K high flush. Unless he had KQclubs or KJ clubs. That's it!

Oh. any reads on UTG? tight? aggro? what?
I'd like to put him on a big ace, but no raise PF. Maybe QJo?????

all-in-all - reraise the river. you have second nuts. Don't look for MUTB.

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K9 clubs also a possibility looking at it. But your more often up against KQ and possibly other straights, 2-pair, or a set. This is the best spot possible to hit your backdoor flush draw.

Redd · #10 11-06-2005, 04:56 PM

Given the previous action in the hand, you're ahead a vast majority of the time here IMO.