To all the gun nuts out there.

[theweatherman]

After reading the past few threads I've seen that yall have a thing for guns based on two main ideas.

1) Guns are essential tools for self defense and
2) Guns are needed in order to fight for our freedom (against ours or any government)

The question I have is where does the limit exist? Unless you advocate that all types of weapons should be allowed for personal ownership, there must be a limit at which the weapon becomes too ridiculous to own.

Is it a hand gun? a rifle? I'm guessing you will claim these are essential.

How about a sub machine gun (think MP-5 or tommy gun) or an automatic rifle (think AK 47)? These seem far less necessary.

Now we kick it up. How about machine guns? A SAW would be a great way to defend my home if 30 theives attempted entry where as my 6 shooter would leave me quite short. Or maybe a browning .50 cal on the roof, so that I could blow em away before they even got out of their vehicle.

Maybe I need a flamethrower or RPG in order to really defend my home. How about an attack helicopter to shoot down government planes that are infringing on my rights.

An agrument could be made that all of these could be used for home defense or milita security. Do you really think people need them all? Where does the danger to innocents outweigh your ability to really blow the crap out of theif?

[PoBoy321]

I'm installing gun turrets and concrete bunkers in my home. Hopefully, i'll be able to get a permit to build a missile silo, but I don't know how well that's gonna work out.

[Zeno]

I have always like what Malcohm X once said: "By any means necessary."

-Zeno

[benfranklin]

We know that people are more likely to die in car accidents at high speed than at low speed. We also know that in a accident between a large car and a small car, those in the small car are more likely to die.


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Do you really think people need them all?

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Do people really need all that horsepower and those behemoth SUVs and "mimi" vans??? Isn't a huge rumbling Hummer truly excessive? If we passed laws making all cars the same size, and incapable of going more than 40MPH, think of all the innocent lives we would save. Where does the limit exist?

P.S. You disqualified yourself as someone capable of rationally discussing the issue when you used the term "gun nuts" indiscriminately. Gun nuts are a small minority, and most gun owners also consider them to be nuts.

[benfranklin]

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I have always like what Malcohm X once said: "By any means necessary."

-Zeno

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"You're gonna need a bigger boat." - Jaws

But SUVs don't exist for the explicit purpose of killing things.

[MMMMMM]

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But SUVs don't exist for the explicit purpose of killing things.

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True, but without looking it up, I would make a small wager that SUVS kill more people each year in the United States than do guns.

[TomCollins]

D-E-T-E-R-A-N-C-E. Say it with me now.

[benfranklin]

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But SUVs don't exist for the explicit purpose of killing things.

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Neither do guns. I have several, and none were purchased for the explicit purpose of killing things.

And to counter your cliche with another old cliche (updated), guns and SUVs don't kill people. People kill people.

The exception to that being mechanical failure. In which case you are much more likely to be killed by an SUV than by a gun.

I can make a flame thrower in my garage... i can turn a rifle into an automatic machine gun with two spring and a metal file... I could blow up a brige with gardening equipment...

But I don't... because I'm a law-abbiding citizen...

The only thing gun laws do is keep guns out of my hands that I might want to own.