Ever feel handcuffed by big pairs?

Brain · #1 01-20-2005, 01:07 AM

I've run into this often in the past week and I still can't figure out what's right here. Typical opponent.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero...

Usually this happens as I've been betting a big pair the whole way (usually OOP) and I get raised with this kind of straight-ish board on the river. Crying call there, even though I can't see being good 1 in 15 or so?

Brain · #2 01-20-2005, 06:33 PM

n/m

shadow29 · #3 01-20-2005, 06:35 PM

Raise the turn, call a 3-bet, call a river bet.

Shillx · #4 01-20-2005, 06:38 PM

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Raise the turn, call a 3-bet, call a river bet.

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If we get 3-bet, how confident are you that we are still drawing live?

I don't know what I'd do, but I'm not putting any more then 2 BB into this pot with this board.

Brad

shadow29 · #5 01-20-2005, 06:41 PM

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If we get 3-bet, how confident are you that we are still drawing live?

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Yeah, I thought about that right after I posted.

I'm not sure. I guess it all depends on the river card and river action.

soko · #6 01-20-2005, 06:52 PM

a single 7 beats you. I would call the turn and fold if CO raises, if SB bets out on the river you are probally beat, so call if your feeling lucky, probally not.

shadow29 · #7 01-20-2005, 06:55 PM

Yeah but how do we know that he has a 7?

Entity · #8 01-20-2005, 06:56 PM

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Raise the turn, call a 3-bet, call a river bet.

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This line seems almost retardedly aggressive. If he's bluffing, let him. This is a board where it's easy for someone to have two pair or a straight and you're advocating raising?

Would you raise A8s on this turn? In all honesty, KK isn't that much stronger than TPTK at this point.

Edit: My line? I'm calling and folding if someone else raises.

Rob

shadow29 · #9 01-20-2005, 06:57 PM

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This line seems almost retardedly aggressive.

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shadow29 · #10 01-20-2005, 07:00 PM

You're right, though. Calling the turn, and calling a nonscary card on the river is the same as raising and calling a 3-bet.