Kudos to Ribbo

[Notorious G.O.B.]

Hell, they don't play draw anymore, that doesn't mean it's not a good game.

[got0uts]

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Short-handed PLO8 kills poor players and makes them quit faster. It kills average NLH short-handed players too, aggression plays a less role in SH PLO8, IMHO.

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What's your evidence of this? Are you just regurgitating what you've read at Steve Badger's site about PLO8 and claiming it's more true for shorthanded, or do you ahve statistical evidence and such to back up a claim like that?

I ask because I disagree with you--many bad players prefere shorthanded, and never seem to quit, no matter how much they lose.

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1. I don't recall Steve's web site mentioned anything about SH plo8 plays and I don't know what's his proposition on SH plo8 plays. In fact, I don't see any online articles/books mention anything about how to play SH PLO8.

2. I am not saying aggression isn't important in SH PLO8. In fact, aggression is as important as in any SH pokers (limit or big bet pokers). But what I am saying is, aggression is less important in PLO8 comparing to other big bet SH pokers. To me, position and starting hand are still the keys.

3. I don't have any hard statistics to prove my points. It really isn't the point. I played SH plo8 from $200 to $600 quite sometimes (and I knew you played up to $2000 and may be the plays are up to another level), but in my case, I've seen many players being overly aggressive. They preflop potted it a mojority of time with or without position. How did I play against them? I folded 90% of my hands oop, called about half of the time when I was in position and still I folded a lot on the flop. But it only took me one or two hands to break even, another one or two hands to break them. It's that simple.

4. I really don't see too many repeated SH plo8 losers (if you had good for you). For instance, I've played with a player "ADAMTHEEXPERT" once at $200, he bought in for $80 to play HU with me (the table later on expanded to 4-5 players), lost some and rebought to $200, lost some then out of no where he disappeared, and I've never seen him again, the list goes on...

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For instance, I've played with a player "ADAMTHEEXPERT" once at $200

This has to be a joke!

[got0uts]

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For instance, I've played with a player "ADAMTHEEXPERT" once at $200

This has to be a joke!

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I don't want to sound like a big blind defender. But it's not, if you are interested in, PM me so I will PM you the hand histories.

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I take it you have not read Adamtheexpert's (ATE) posts. I'd love to see those histories. The guy talks a great game (at least for full ring)

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Check my PM.

The sick Star Wars fan is correct. As a poker player, you make most of your money off of people with serious gambling problems. Those people will not usually have the patience for a full ring game.

[Ribbo]

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The sick Star Wars fan is correct. As a poker player, you make most of your money off of people with serious gambling problems. Those people will not usually have the patience for a full ring game.

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No you don't, you make the most money off the idiots. People with gambling problems can still be intelligent enough to know how to play, I should know.