extracting with a set

gumpzilla · #1 06-15-2005, 03:21 PM

10+1. Is there a sensible river bet I can make that gets called? I don't have a read on this guy, but my feeling is he wasn't going to bet if checked to on the river.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

Button (t1510)
SB (t1470)
BB (t1365)
UTG (t3140)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t450)
MP2 (t1410)
Hero (t2715)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero calls t30, Button raises to t60, 1 fold, BB calls t30, Hero calls t30.

Flop: (t195) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t30, BB calls t30, Hero raises to t180, Button calls t150, BB folds.

Turn: (t585) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t250, Button calls t250.

River: (t1085) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
 Hero bets 400, Button folds.

Final Pot: t1085

Bigwig · #2 06-15-2005, 03:25 PM

You could try checking or betting the ol' tiny amount on the river. But I don't think you did anything wrong here.

RobGW · #3 06-15-2005, 03:26 PM

You won $500 on this hand which is fine. You can't bust someone or double every time you hit a set. Looks like he has something like AK or a smaller PP. Either way he is usually not going to bet if you check. Your only hope is if he is so fishy that he will call a bet on the river. You did what you could which was fine.

adanthar · #4 06-15-2005, 03:26 PM

IMO, you overdid it on the turn. He's got a Q/T9/slowplayed overpair/something to be staying in after that raise, so get the chips in now.

bluefeet · #5 06-15-2005, 03:28 PM

"meh" <- just learned what that meant. i'm SO excited!

personally, i'm a fan of the 'repeat the turn bet' when it is apparent villian hasn't done any catching up. the continued escalation bet results too often in fold from a under-pair/middle-pair fishy. when they have convinced themselves that calling the turn bet was correct, i find them using that same justification when i bet the same amount on the river. will even see Ace-high guys call these modest river bets, when i slow down.

durron597 · #6 06-15-2005, 03:28 PM

Lead flop check/raise turn. Or lead flop lead turn check/raise river.

schwza · #7 06-15-2005, 03:32 PM

i would open-raise from the CO.

after that, i think you played it fine. i agree with adanthar that you should've bet ~325 on the turn. you want to make sure you get as many chips in as possible against QJ before an A comes and spoils your action.

the river bet's good. i wonder what he had.

gumpzilla · #8 06-15-2005, 03:58 PM

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i would open-raise from the CO.

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With a shallower stack, so would I. But I've got something like 90 BBs here, so taking down the blinds isn't incredibly desirable. I'd rather encourage a multi-way pot and gamble for the set at this point than try and play an iffy hand heads-up, I think it'll be more profitable on average.

schwza · #9 06-15-2005, 04:20 PM

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But I've got something like 90 BBs here

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yes and no. your effective stack for the hand is only the ~45 that the people left that act have.

how high a PP are you limping here?

gumpzilla · #10 06-15-2005, 04:26 PM

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yes and no. your effective stack for the hand is only the ~45 that the people left that act have.

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While this is an interesting point, I still think that my implied odds with a set are going to be good enough to make it a more worthwhile endeavor than trying to take down the blinds or play a somewhat difficult small postflop pot.

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how high a PP are you limping here?

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88 and 99 I probably limp and TT I'll usually raise. Sometimes I'll raise with smaller ones, too, but in this instance I didn't.