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12-30-2005, 10:14 PM
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Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
I just don't see how you can make that read. You said the guy is good and UTG will fold to a re-raise. He has the guy covered and it would seem to me that he could have anything here.
Having said that, I may be the only person here who wouldn't roast you for folding. go with your read no matter what. Even fold aces here if you want, you'll make the money, and you might get another big hand later. Pretend you went to the bathroom and missed it or misclicked and folded. You haven't lost anything but an opportunity. 
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#3
12-30-2005, 10:31 PM
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Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
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When DO you trust that voice in your head? [/ QUOTE ] When I've got a ginormous stack that can afford folding, not an M of 8. And when I have more evidence than "limper, tight player raised weakly." There's gona have to be a lot more raising for entire chipstacks before I think about folding the second best hand in hold 'em. Even if I know that he HAS to have AA, QQ, or AK (which you're a favorite against).
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#5
12-31-2005, 10:03 AM
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Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
Wait. UTG+1 made a standard 2.5xBB raise and you were SURE it was aces? I don't see how you could narrow it down that far based on a standard opening raise unless the UTG+1 player hasn't played a hand in about 10 orbits. Then perhaps you can narrow it down to one of two holdings with a single tidbit of information.
See monsters under the bed often?
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#6
12-31-2005, 01:37 PM
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Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
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When DO you trust that voice in your head? [/ QUOTE ] When it tells me to push KK in this spot. P.S. No offense, but you did not make a good read. How in the world can you put that range on Villian? Unless you've played 100's of hands with him and the only time he raises to 2.5x BB in is with exactly this hand range, you're kidding yourself.
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#7
12-31-2005, 01:39 PM
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Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
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[ QUOTE ] When DO you trust that voice in your head? [/ QUOTE ] When it tells me to push KK in this spot. P.S. No offense, but you did not make a good read. How in the world can you put that range on Villian? Unless you've played 100's of hands with him and the only time he raises to 2.5x BB in is with exactly this hand range, you're kidding yourself. [/ QUOTE ] As I showed in my other post, even if he has that ridiculously tight range (AA-QQ, AK or even just AA-QQ), pushing is still good. Steve
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#8
12-31-2005, 12:28 AM
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Re: Bubble Play with KK - and alternate play?
this and Davidross's reply reminded me of a hand...
I was BB with 93 or something and flopped top pair - turn comes with an overcard and my opponent bets - and I was in the tank for 15 seconds...and then I said "wait a sec...this is my BB - I don't give a rats ass if I fold top pair with no kicker or not - I don't WANT this hand and I'm lucky I got any part of the flop and probably not that lucky at all." If you fold, no one will know that you're tight and laid down a monster - but in this spot, I don't see how I could get away from it - I'd be all in so fast I might get a fold just out of fear - LOL. I've never had a read on anyone as so TAG that I could lay down KK that easily. What's everyone's opinion on just smoothcalling the raise and pushing all in on any flop that doesn't have an A? Sometimes I do this near the bubble - just cause everyone's playing an A - I think this is wrong...but at the same time, if I'm seeing AK, it's easier to play it this way and knock them out post flop then letting them see all 5 cards, which they would do if we both got allin preflop. I figure I'm allin preflop or postflop, I'm gonna get a caller - but my chances of getting a muck post flop are much greater if that flop comes and misses - if he hits, well, he probably would have hit if I had gone allin preflop anyways... I sorta like playing that way - a lot of players will shrug and call an all-in on a draw with hands like A7 suited but a lot fewer do it post flop after they don't get their A or two spades. RB
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#9
12-31-2005, 12:34 AM
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Re: Bubble Play with KK - and alternate play?
or we can get allin preflop a big fav? If the flop comes rags, you can lose AQ/AJ, same if the flop comes KQx and he has JJ or something. Get allin preflop, and your ahead by a lot usually - ok sure bubbling sucks, but you want a stack to contend on the final table, not JUST itm right?
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#10
12-31-2005, 01:25 AM
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Re: Bubble Play with KK - and alternate play?
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What's everyone's opinion on just smoothcalling the raise and pushing all in on any flop that doesn't have an A? [/ QUOTE ] Very bad, I think. If the flop doesn't have an Ace, then you'll regret that you didn't push preflop, because those people with Aces will fold when you want them to call. With KK, don't look to minimize your losses. Look to maximize your gain. Push. If anyone calls you with less than AA, then you've made a successful play, regardless of the outcome.
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