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Old 11-29-2005, 11:27 PM
Victor Victor is offline
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Default real common situation.

i am the button with qjo. folded to me and i raise. sb is 30/15/1.5 and although we have been at the table and i have raised a ton we havent tangled. so im not paranoid.

well i raise and he 3bets and i call.

flop is q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] i have no heart.

he bets.

gimme a line.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:33 PM
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Default Re: real common situation.

I think that the choice is between raising the flop or non A turns. I'd prefer to raise the flop... and see what develops. I may mix it up a little, but air on the flop raise 75/25.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:39 PM
baronzeus baronzeus is offline
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Default Re: real common situation.

i call and raise any turn. call and fold the river if he 3bets the turn.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: real common situation.

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i call and raise any turn. call and fold the river if he 3bets the turn.

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This is definitely my default line.

But suddenly I wonder whether it makes more sense to raise the flop if villain is overly aggressive. I'm thinking that if you raise the flop, villain takes that less seriously, and might actually reraise or even donk the turn. In that case, you can just call the turn and plan to raise a non-A river.

Without a predictably aggressive opponent, though, I think I'd rather plan to raise the turn.
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:07 AM
Dave Mac Dave Mac is offline
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Default Re: real common situation.

raise the flop, if he 3 bets i either cap, and call down. or i just call the 3 bet and a turn raise, or call and just get 1 bet in on each street, depending on how i feel at the table.
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:22 AM
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Against thinking opponents, dont you have to sometimes raise with good hands here in order to make your freecard raises (and caps) work?
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:36 AM
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Default Re: real common situation.

I like raising the flop half the time, waiting half the time. Mixing it up is good.
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:39 AM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: real common situation.

I like raising the flop and calling down after 3bet best for a couple reasons:

1) Guys will 3bet with TT, hearts, etc. etc.
2) Guys will call you down more liberally because the flop is draw heavy if you raise the flop
3) I don't like the thought of not seeing a showdown against a semi-unknown TAG who 3bets the turn.
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: real common situation.

im a simpleton. the majoroity of the time i am playing this as fast as possible and raising the flop. if he 3-bets (unless hes a kook) i just call and make sure the big bets go in on turn and river.
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Old 11-30-2005, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: real common situation.

[ QUOTE ]
i am the button with qjo. folded to me and i raise. sb is 30/15/1.5 and although we have been at the table and i have raised a ton we havent tangled. so im not paranoid.

well i raise and he 3bets and i call.

flop is q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] i have no heart.

he bets.

gimme a line.

[/ QUOTE ]

uhh. thanks for clearing it up guys.

i called the flop and the turn was the k [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

now what?
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