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#21
11-19-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: 10 10 In position with Over card
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Bad fold? [/ QUOTE ] yes. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning. [/ QUOTE ] The difference in that hand is that the preflop reraise and the river value bet from the overcards were assumed to be substantial. If you'd made it 175 preflop, he called, then you bet 300 on the flop, he called, you checked turn, and he bet 600 on the river, you still like your TT now? Calling a preflop min-reraise is routine. Calling a 1/5 pot river bet when there's only one overcard out is also routine. That's why everyone is treating this hand like it's not such a big deal. 
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#23
11-19-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: 10 10 In position with Over card
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Bad fold? [/ QUOTE ] yes. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning. [/ QUOTE ] The difference in that hand is that the preflop reraise and the river value bet from the overcards were assumed to be substantial. If you'd made it 175 preflop, he called, then you bet 300 on the flop, he called, you checked turn, and he bet 600 on the river, you still like your TT now? Calling a preflop min-reraise is routine. Calling a 1/5 pot river bet when there's only one overcard out is also routine. That's why everyone is treating this hand like it's not such a big deal. [/ QUOTE ] Your right, I would hate it, but their would be a decision, after all he checked the turn. Is he the type of player to slow play a big hand? You checked behind on the turn, there is some chance he is bluffing and behind. Against a solid player I would lay it down, against a loose maniac type I would have to consider a call.
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#24
11-19-2005, 11:06 PM
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Re: 10 10 In position with Over card
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You are now ignoring this user. You will no longer see the body of any of their posts. [/ QUOTE ]
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#26
11-20-2005, 06:31 AM
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Re: 10 10 In position with Over card
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Bad fold? [/ QUOTE ] yes. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning. [/ QUOTE ] The difference in that hand is that the preflop reraise and the river value bet from the overcards were assumed to be substantial. If you'd made it 175 preflop, he called, then you bet 300 on the flop, he called, you checked turn, and he bet 600 on the river, you still like your TT now? Calling a preflop min-reraise is routine. Calling a 1/5 pot river bet when there's only one overcard out is also routine. That's why everyone is treating this hand like it's not such a big deal. [/ QUOTE ] Your right, I would hate it, but their would be a decision, after all he checked the turn. Is he the type of player to slow play a big hand? You checked behind on the turn, there is some chance he is bluffing and behind. Against a solid player I would lay it down, against a loose maniac type I would have to consider a call. [/ QUOTE ] Mason's example is about solid players. This opponent, who bets 1/5 pot on the river, is almost certainly not a solid player.
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