15/30 AJ

highlife · #1 12-29-2005, 02:52 PM

if he is calling the turn, the only hand he would fold on the river is AQ. check river unimproved.

BigEndian · #2 12-29-2005, 02:54 PM

Villains range is a lot bigger than AQo. The only real merit I see to betting the river is to prevent being pushed of the best hand by checking.

- Jim

highlife · #3 12-29-2005, 02:56 PM

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Villains range is a lot bigger than AQo. The only real merit I see to betting the river is to prevent being pushed of the best hand by checking.

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yeah i know that, what i meant was the only better hand he would likely fold on the river to a bet is AQ.

BigEndian · #4 12-29-2005, 02:59 PM

I think you misunderstood me. He's calling the turn with a lot more than AQo that he would fold to a river bet. A lot of aces, broadway combos and sometimes worse.

- Jim

highlife · #5 12-29-2005, 03:06 PM

i know, but if those hands don't improve they will muck, if they do improve they will pop or at least call the river. thus no point to betting the river as a bluff.

Entity · #6 12-29-2005, 03:12 PM

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yeah i know that, what i meant was the only better hand he would likely fold on the river to a bet is AQ.

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He's also folding a chop (AJ) and honestly, how wide is the range of his hands here?

The river is a very good time for a value bluff if you're called on the turn.

Rob

highlife · #7 12-29-2005, 03:14 PM

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The river is a very good time for a value bluff if you're called on the turn.

Rob

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UTG is 40/14/1.2

no its not.

Entity · #8 12-29-2005, 03:28 PM

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The river is a very good time for a value bluff if you're called on the turn.

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UTG is 40/14/1.2

no its not.

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Are you even trying to put this guy on a range of hands?

Rob

highlife · #9 12-29-2005, 03:34 PM

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The river is a very good time for a value bluff if you're called on the turn.

Rob

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UTG is 40/14/1.2

no its not.

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Are you even trying to put this guy on a range of hands?

Rob

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77, 88, 99, TT are not folding if they call the turn. a worse ace will fold. So he folds AQ and AJ, and doesn't call with anything we can beat. "value bluff" in this hand is bs.

newhizzle · #10 12-29-2005, 03:40 PM

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The river is a very good time for a value bluff if you're called on the turn.

Rob

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UTG is 40/14/1.2

no its not.

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Are you even trying to put this guy on a range of hands?

Rob

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what exactly could he be folding that beats you or calling with that you beat?

i think he folds AQ or better never, AT or maybe A9s are the only possibilities that i see him calling with that we are ahead of, i dont see how this can be a bet

also after trying to put him on some kind of range, i think we can fold if he bets