Jump in to 5/10 from 2/4. Don't liked it at all - help needed.

Akimka · #1 04-15-2005, 11:37 AM

I have runned away from 5/10 just now.
I don't like what happens there at all. After loose/passive 2/4 games that's hyperagression was surprise for me. PFR 12-15 (full table) is it normal or just 'special' table?

Here hand for example - please comment it. Would you play it same? How about CC?

And in summary - expirienced players - how would you adapt to 5/10 full after 2/4? Or may be just forget it and play SH? Or don't play 5/10 - 10/20 at all? But i afraid to play 15/30 just after 2/4 even bankrolled for it.

May be you can throw me some good links/posts - about adaptation to 5/10 up? For now i don't really sure that i can hold such pressure - high stakes AND agression (higher stdev as result) is a short way to tilt.

That's 5/10 (hyper)agression - is it normal thing on 5/10? On 15/30 is same agression?

Hand and stats

UTG VPIP 32, PFR 16, postflop passive
MP2 VPIP VPIP 44, PFR 11, postflop unknown. 9 hand on him
Button VPIP 71, PFR 28, postflop unknown, passive maybe.
Button has been noted at limp, cap raise&reraise with T8s (on UTG).

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls.

River: (15.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 16.70 BB

Piiop · #2 04-15-2005, 11:39 AM

Why would you go from 2/4 straight to 5/10?

CallMeIshmael · #3 04-15-2005, 01:22 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Why would you go from 2/4 straight to 5/10?

[/ QUOTE ]

Tungus · #4 04-15-2005, 04:52 PM

I know Akimka.He is a good player.I I think he had afraid big aggrresiion.But i think he beat all on this stake.after
3/6 after one month.

flair1239 · #5 04-15-2005, 11:49 AM

Table selection becomes more important.

The play pre-flop anyway is generally more aggressive, but it looks like you were caught up with some maniacs.

FoodForThought · #6 04-15-2005, 11:50 AM

Why would you skip $3/$6? There is a BIG difference between $2/$4 and $3/$6. In my opinion, this is where the biggest transition occurs (on Party anyhow). I don't feel there is as big a difference (although, there is) between $3/$6 and $5/$10. Learn how to beat $3/$6 first....the move to $5/$10. Then, once you learn how to beat $5/$10...$15/$30 should be easier, but do NOT play without the proper bankroll. On a separate note...looked like you were in a great $5/$10 game based on the stats you posted.

Akimka · #7 04-15-2005, 12:18 PM

Awesome. Thank you guys for great input. But first - i havent moved to 5/10 - i just have a 400 hands peek about what is it looks like and i don't liked it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Advise about 3/6 is accepted and will be used. The only reason why i got shot on 5/10 is i thinked that 5/10 is lot easier than 3/6.

I had rumors that 15/30 is even easier than 2/4 - isn't it true? I thinked that way because:

a) fat fishes are certanly went to 15/30 rather than 1/2
b) i have lot of friend who making good money on 15/30 even without pokertracker and playerview!!! I think it's a very strange and idea that 15/30 is more beatable than 2/4 comes into my mind. Alas! please disappoint me before i put all my hard 2/4 winnings on 15/30 tables [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

c) some of guys from our Russian local forum (peter_rus for example) and others beating 15/30 out of s..t (for 3-4BB/100) and i thought that if very good player can have this winrate - i can do it for 1BB at least.
Please say me that i'm not right.

Because after looking for great success of my friends i coming to mind that i definatly losing my money on 2/4 having 9K of bankroll and still playing 2/4 instead of 15/30. I saying all the way that i NEED self-confidence about 2/4 and than may be i can play 3/6.

But i'll repeat to myself - no more 15/30-ing s..t before i got 50K hands of 3/6 on my tracker.

Thank you again guys. 2+2 does for me that no one can do.

Fat Nicky · #8 04-15-2005, 11:52 AM

first, jumping from 2/4 to 5/10 is the biggest mistake you can make. it's ok to take a shot once in a while, but from the sound of it, you don't seems mentally nor physically (poker skill) prepared for this game. I'd jump back to 2/4 ASAP, get your confindence back, then win consistently at 3/6 before moving to 5/10.

second, in the hand, I don't like the PF cold-call w/KQs in an aggressive game. There is a decent chance it will be 3-bet pre-flop, and you will probably have to pay many bets to draw if you do flop a draw, not to mention the reverse implied odds should you catch a K or Q.

I don't like the flop bet either, in this game, it is almost certain you will be raised. You want to try to check/call her and peel one off for cheap.

Turn and river standard....

Good luck!

mute · #9 04-15-2005, 11:55 AM

Why not try 3/6. It's right in between.

As for the hand I would like to see the turn as cheaply as possible, so I would just check/call.

cassady · #10 04-15-2005, 11:57 AM

1). I would have raised preflop. With a 16% preflop raiser, your hand is probably good. Can argue for a call if you're seeing a lot of these pots raised in early position still go multi-way, as the flush potential of your cards plays well multiway. Guess this one depends on the table.

2). What are you opening the betting here for. Betting into a preflop raiser on a really ragged flop isn't a bad move when used against a TOUGH opponent who is capible of the fold. This guy was obviously loose/aggressive. You're asking for the raise here, putting more money into the pot with what is at present a very speculative hand of two overs and a backdoor flush. I'd say this is terrible.

3). Turn and the river look good to me.

PS: If you're tired of 2/4, try 3/6. I find that's where players start to get moderate abilities.