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Old 05-17-2005, 05:42 AM
xenthebrain xenthebrain is offline
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Default This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

Clarkmeister correct applied?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Button folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB
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Old 05-17-2005, 05:52 AM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

i'm confused or missing something or just plain stupid....what EXACTLY do you have in this hand to bet that river for?

was this play based on a read?
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:09 AM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

You should at least have some hand...this is just a stone cold bluff.
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:48 AM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

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i'm confused or missing something or just plain stupid....what EXACTLY do you have in this hand to bet that river for?

was this play based on a read?

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Also, I'm not too thrilled about playing 57s UTG, nor about semibluffing an OESD into 4 .5/1 opponents.
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:18 AM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

While this hand isn't a good example of much it is a good reminder that there are times when the only way you can win is by betting.
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

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While this hand isn't a good example of much it is a good reminder that there are times when the only way you can win is by betting.

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This is horrible. Just because betting is the only way you can win doesn't mean you should bet.

Krishan
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:37 AM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

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While this hand isn't a good example of much it is a good reminder that there are times when the only way you can win is by betting.

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This is horrible. Just because betting is the only way you can win doesn't mean you should bet.

Krishan

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Sorry, I edited out the part where I made it clearer that I only meant the river bet. I don't think people use that play often enough. Especially against multitabling rocks who are really vulnerable to it.
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Old 05-17-2005, 10:52 AM
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This is horrible. Just because betting is the only way you can win doesn't mean you should bet.

Krishan

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Really? Don't you think your opponent folds here often enough at .50/1.00 with no [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to make this +EV?
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Old 05-17-2005, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

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Also, I'm not too thrilled about playing 57s UTG, nor about semibluffing an OESD into 4 .5/1 opponents.


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It's not semibluffing, it's betting for value
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Old 05-17-2005, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: This was a Clarkmeister, was it?

Am I the only one here who has heard of clarkmeister's theorem? I guess so

Well applied

For those of you who are unfamiliar with it. clarkmeister's theorem is a situational theorem where there is 4 of a suit on the board, you are HU and, OOP.

What clarkeister suggests is, despite the fact is -EV any way you play it, betting out is less -EV then just check-calling because you have some fold equity.

Once again, nice hand
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