3 betting turn with TPTK and flush outs

I am trying to be selectively more aggressive with hands like TPTK.

1) Is the following a good spot?
2) Would you 3-bet this giving the history without the flush draw?

History: I am new to the table and have no PT reads on the villain. Recently I bluffed the whole way with K-high and he called down with a small pair.

preflop Hero raises UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Villain calls in sb, bb folds.

Flop 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
villain check / calls.

Turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villain check / raises and Hero 3-bets

[pshabi]

if he calls the 3-bet, what's the river plan?

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if he calls the 3-bet, what's the river plan?

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I'd bet and fold to a raise if I didn't improve.

In the hand, villain ended up capping the turn and I obviously called. Fold river UI right?

[Benman]

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I'd bet and fold to a raise if I didn't improve.



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Nah, assuming the river card isn't an overcard to your jacks, you need to adopt a plan that assures a showdown. Top pair top kicker has too many ways to win to fold on the river in this situation. Maybe you check call, or make a crying call of the raise. Either one is a better plan than bet/fold in my opinion.

In your original post you said you're trying to learn to become more aggressive, and your turn play is a fine example of your efforts to improve. I think you may have a river leak, however. As you become more aggressive, people will believe you less. The result is that, ironically, you must become a bit more loose and passive on the river in certain situations. Don't become weak at the same time you become more aggressive.

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I'd bet and fold to a raise if I didn't improve.



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Nah, assuming the river card isn't an overcard to your jacks, you need to adopt a plan that assures a showdown. Top pair top kicker has too many ways to win to fold on the river in this situation. Maybe you check call, or make a crying call of the raise. Either one is a better plan than bet/fold in my opinion.

In your original post you said you're trying to learn to become more aggressive, and your turn play is a fine example of your efforts to improve. I think you may have a river leak, however. As you become more aggressive, people will believe you less. The result is that, ironically, you must become a bit more loose and passive on the river in certain situations. Don't become weak at the same time you become more aggressive.

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I had position on my opponent in this hand. I would be VERY surprised if he would check-raise me twice in a row after I 3-bet the turn with a hand worse than AJ.

edit: however I do agree that I need a plan to see a showdown no matter what. I think in the heat of the moment I probably would have bet/called a checkraise, not that that is correct.

[Benman]

OK, I'll buy that. Then check call instead.

[Benman]

Let me add one thing to my last post. Some people may flame this, but if you were to adopt a blanket rule that, heads-up, you would never fold to a single bet on the river with any kind of made hand when getting better than 8 to 1, I guarantee you you could do very well and not have to worry about such situations again. Folding made hands on the river getting more than 8 to 1 when you get to close the action is something none of us can do well, I'll speculate.

[jba]

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Let me add one thing to my last post. Some people may flame this, but if you were to adopt a blanket rule that, heads-up, you would never fold to a single bet on the river with any kind of made hand when getting better than 8 to 1, I guarantee you you could do very well and not have to worry about such situations again. Folding made hands on the river getting more than 8 to 1 when you get to close the action is something none of us can do well, I'll speculate.

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No. You're either going to miss a ton of value bets, or you're going to pay off way too many raises. you need to do some hand reading and player reading.

[ejay]

I agree with you. I dont mind just calling a checkraise here (espcially in position)because he will surely lead into you on the river and if you catch a diamond you can raise the nuts and if not you get to showdown with the same three bets that you ended up putting in on the turn. You are prolly behind on the turn and by calling you get a chance to improve for a cheaper price and get to raise when you make strong hands.

[SnglMaltScotch]

I like it. He could very easily have QJ, KJ, lower flush draw, TT, 99 here.

Next question is.. What do you do if you don't improve on the river. I think that I bet call.