(109) more AQ bubble fun with raptor

[raptor517]

***** Hand History for Game 3032933033 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Trny:17396362 Level:8 Blinds(200/400) - Sunday, November 13, 23:45:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 67302 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: EDawwg ( $4620 )
Seat 6: Raptor_517 ( $2210 )
Seat 7: snowball101 ( $480 )
Seat 10: luc2day ( $2690 )
Trny:17396362 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Raptor_517 [ Qc Ah ]
snowball101 is all-In [480]
luc2day folds.
EDawwg is all-In [4420]
Raptor_517 ?

[Freudian]

I voted fold because I am a wuss. But I can see calling and going for 1st. If bigstack win you are 3rd, if you win you have a good shot at 1st.

[mlagoo]

i fold this in a flash, and (obviously) not because i don't think i have the best hand.

i remember a similar hand that kyro posted recently, that suggested calling in these situations might be correct?

looking forward to having some better players shed some light on this.

[PartySNGer]

The chip leader could be doing this with a low pair hand like 66, in which case you're not in good shape. If the shortstack had KT you would be in a bad situation.

[Shillx]

It is only a .4% mistake to call here if everyone will win 1/3 of the time (and it is 50/50 HU should you fold). AQ is just too good in this spot to not play I would think. You have to think that you have 40% equity here, no? That would certainly be enough to make this call.

Brad

[tewall]

I think this is a pretty fold. I wonder where to draw the line. Maybe QQ? Too conservative? What do others think?

I don't see why people are saying fold. This call seems to pretty clearly increase your chances of 3rd, and it probably increases your chances of 2nd and 1st also. That seems like a good idea to me.

Big stack's pushing range doesn't have us dominated.

Yes easy fold but was was the OUTCOME?

[citanul]

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I don't see why people are saying fold.

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you're missing hte point. you're fairly likely to lose, getting nothing, whereas folding makes you fairly likely to not lose, and get something.

c

[microbet]

I'd say this is a fold and the other is a call, but I'm not so sure since that's what I Play G00t said.

Edit: Here's a contrarian thought on ICM adjustments.

HERO: 2000
villian1: 4000
villian2: 4000

BB 300 or 400

I feel a lot better here than ICM says against most opponents. This is contrary because it seems like many people feel that ICM undervalues the big stack. I don't feel as big an edge (over expectation) as a big stack ITM.