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09-22-2005, 12:27 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate.
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#3
09-22-2005, 12:34 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
I think you'd be surprised at the number of times that this isn't a WAWB spot, but rather a raise from the SB and auto bet any flop spot.
Which I guess would mean you'd be way ahead, but if I'm playing this hand, I might as well raise while I'm likely ahead. (But draws on board.) Why give SB so much credit for being ahead here? It was folded to him, he raised, took a shot on the flop. I'd pop him back. Ace with a T kicker seems good enough here. If he pushes, then I've got a decision to make.
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#4
09-22-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
[ QUOTE ]
I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate. [/ QUOTE ] I did not know you get information when you call!?!? What is WAWB? OP has position, take advantage of it. Are you planning to call the turn if SB bets? If so, you might as well raise here. If you plan to fold to a turn bet, you could be throwing away the best hand. SB min raised pf, and bet flop. He could have an ace. But if you raise the flop it will help define how much he likes his hand. If you raise and he has tpwk, he may check turn-river... after which you too should check. If he shows aggression after your raise... check/call as long as it is cheap to do so, otherwise give the hand up.
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#6
09-22-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
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[ QUOTE ] I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate. [/ QUOTE ] I did not know you get information when you call!?!? [/ QUOTE ] Villain raised preflop. He will almost certainly bet any flop. Calling the flop is a good way to see if he really likes his hand and it's a cheap way. If he bets the turn again then we can re-evaluate. That's all I meant by calling for information.
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#7
09-22-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate. [/ QUOTE ] I did not know you get information when you call!?!? [/ QUOTE ] Villain raised preflop. He will almost certainly bet any flop. Calling the flop is a good way to see if he really likes his hand and it's a cheap way. If he bets the turn again then we can re-evaluate. That's all I meant by calling for information. [/ QUOTE ] right, but what do you do about it? it can be a value bet from a4 just as easily as from AK at this point. i called not knowing what i was going to do if villain bet a brick (i know, i know - bad schwza), but i think it's going to be very easy for me to make a FTOP mistake by folding or not on the turn.
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#8
09-22-2005, 02:13 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate. [/ QUOTE ] I did not know you get information when you call!?!? [/ QUOTE ] Villain raised preflop. He will almost certainly bet any flop. Calling the flop is a good way to see if he really likes his hand and it's a cheap way. If he bets the turn again then we can re-evaluate. That's all I meant by calling for information. [/ QUOTE ] ok, so reevaluate... assume he bets turn t150 or so... now what's your line?
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#9
09-22-2005, 02:24 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate. [/ QUOTE ] I did not know you get information when you call!?!? [/ QUOTE ] Villain raised preflop. He will almost certainly bet any flop. Calling the flop is a good way to see if he really likes his hand and it's a cheap way. If he bets the turn again then we can re-evaluate. That's all I meant by calling for information. [/ QUOTE ] ok, so reevaluate... assume he bets turn t150 or so... now what's your line? [/ QUOTE ] On this turn? Push. On any other turn with a diamond? Push. On a turn with an A? Push. On any other turn where I completely whiffed? I'd probably fold this early in the tournament. That's probably too weak, but top pair T kicker isn't so great that I'm willing to go to the felt with it. I really think calling the flop and seeing the turn is just as good as raising, from an information gathering perspective. But it's much cheaper and much safer. Say he pushes over the top of your flop raise. So now there is ~1050 in the pot and you have to call ~450. That's a tough decision. If you just call and he comes out strong again on the turn, you've gained the same amount of information as raising the flop would get you, but it comes much cheaper. Is this faulty thinking? I'm willing to be persuaded.
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#10
09-22-2005, 02:30 PM
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Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand
calling is safe and cheap, I agree. But many people c-bet flop-river unimproved... so I am not sure that you're getting any valuable info by checking flop. It is not necessarily cheap if you keep calling. If you push turn (not this turn)... and he calls you're most likely beat... I don't know. Regardless, turn was nice to OP.
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