Did I chicken out with my flush draw on the turn?

[adsman]

yeah, raising this flop sucks.

[AlmightyJay]

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I think I played this hand well up to the turn. When the board paired, I got gun shy. Did I just flat out wuss out, or can an argument be made for calling here?

This is my second post tonight regarding flush draw flops. I am still trying to figure out how to maximize the wins with these hands.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (16.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 22.25 BB

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Fold preflop.

I don't like your flop raise. You're only four-handed, and raising the bet has a good chance of chasing out the two players who checked behind you. It worked out this time, and the flop cap is good.

The turn is fine - I don't think you have enough equity with only three opponents to make this a value raise.

[tassie]

yes to the preflop fold unless UTG+1 has loose raising standards

You got 12 outs to either the nut straight or flush. At least one of the cold callers must be making a mistake by calling. I like it but would stop short of the cap.

am calling once the board pairs.

[McGahee]

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I think I played this hand well up to the turn. When the board paired, I got gun shy. Did I just flat out wuss out, or can an argument be made for calling here?


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Is this a joke?

:grunch: Nope the turn looks good to me.

I would be more concerned about cold calling preflop with A10s.

Also the raise on the flop is a little iffy because you have have to be sure you have at least 3 callers, which you lucky did end up with.

[car ramrod]

raising the turn would be worse than raising that flop, which was not very good.

You need to ask yourself why you are raising, and what will, or should likely, happen when you raise. You do not want to face the field with 2 bets cold.

[Salva135]

Definitely fold pre-flop. I like the flop-raise, not so much the flop cap because you may lose too many people here. The turn is scary for me, because QQ or JJ are definitely possibilities for the UTG+1, so we're drawing dead, but you have to call. Raise on the river is standard, and looks like it worked out, but you did dodge some bullets here.

[Greg J]

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The first flop raise is also no good. Look at the action. Why are you trying to isolate yourself against what is probably a much better hand, while driving out potential second-best-hand-makers?

If you were on the button with these guys inbetween you and the bettor, that's when you raise.

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I think the OP would be well advised to try and soak in the concepts of relative position and how to apply it.

There is the argument that Hero could get a free card by raising here, but I think calling the initial bet is better. It's better to take advantage of the equity edge by calling this and not facing potential callers with 2 bets than going for a free card you are likely not to get anyhow.

[istewart]

If raising the flop is a mistake it's still clearly +EV, and I'm not even sure it's a mistake. You're a favorite HU against his range right now (you're even a solid favorite if he has AA/KK and still have 40% equity if he has queens) and on this flop you're nearly ALWAYS going to get at least one cold-caller.

[Buckmulligan]

Fold preflop, call the flop.