20-40 Commerce hand, enjoy this one...

Michael Davis · #1 02-21-2005, 04:33 AM

8-handed. I raise UTG with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. A LP coldcaller and the BB make the pot three ways.

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I bet, LP folds, BB checkraises, I call.

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to me and I bet! BB checkraises again, I call.

River: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I bet and suffer the ignominy of a trifecta. I fold.

-Michael

mike l. · #2 02-21-2005, 05:27 AM

to be fair ive had time to digest this one, and i think michael played it fine. there are some close/marginal choices esp. on the flop, but the river fold is expert gabe and i both agreed. sucker said it was horrid.

DrGutshot · #3 02-21-2005, 05:30 AM

were you expecting him to fold to the turn bet?

I would take the freecard in a heartbeat, and then decide whether or not to call the river unimproved (I probably wouldn't).

-DrG

Michael Davis · #4 02-21-2005, 05:32 AM

Expecting, no, but I don't have to expect him to fold if he does it enough.

-Michael

rory · #5 02-21-2005, 05:32 AM

I like the river fold a lot more than I like the turn bet.

TBag · #6 02-21-2005, 05:44 AM

Can anyone give me the logic to folding that river? Why are you folding the high flush?

I dunno, I guess I'm completely missing something. Is there really enough to justify putting BB on a boat? JJ/AA seems unlikely, only probable full house I can see him holding is A8.

shemp · #7 02-21-2005, 05:51 AM

My theory on the turn is that I can't get an unknown player to fold a better hand, so I risk a free card and losing to a bluff by checking. That may be wrong, but there it is. I've got a lot of outs for a check-up call on the river.

On the river, I call. Unfortunately, it's a big pot now, so I know that calling isn't a big mistake, so I might as well belly up. As far as I know he proudly showed his j8o or a straightflush or whatever. I could care less about the trifecta. To me, his river check doesn't make enough sense, because if he put me on the A, how can he put me both on a big diamond and a bet.

Rick Nebiolo · #8 02-21-2005, 07:01 AM

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I bet and suffer the ignominy of a trifecta. I fold.

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That's not so bad. My girlfriend once got in three checkraises on one hand but she got paid off [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

~ Rick

fsuplayer · #9 02-21-2005, 09:32 AM

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I bet and suffer the ignominy of a trifecta. I fold.

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That's not so bad. My girlfriend once got in three checkraises on one hand but she got paid off [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

~ Rick

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boy, talk about getting owned by your old lady Rick!

Did she at least split it with you later? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

antifish225 · #10 02-21-2005, 10:58 AM

Think you have to call the river for one extra bet - there are so many potential hands he could have had that folding a flush on the river seems like the wrong move (in addition you got the best two turn/river cards you could hope for (well almost) - if you think that your hand is no good after improving so much you should have folded to the flop c/r) - just my opinion......