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Old 12-07-2005, 10:55 PM
sublime sublime is offline
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Button is 17/18/5 over 60 hands (was stealing at a normal rate)

SB is 57/25/3 over 40 hands

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ](2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets.......

EDIT: sorry for ugly post. what did i do wrong with converter?
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Old 12-07-2005, 11:11 PM
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cr flop...
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Old 12-07-2005, 11:13 PM
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I would also checkraise the flop unless you have a strong reason to believe he'll raise with overs or won't continuation bet. Against a reasonable player you can fold since the pot is 3way with a loose guy in sb. button usually has a king here unless he's pretty aggro. I'd def call down if it were headsup when he raised.
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Old 12-07-2005, 11:16 PM
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I would also checkraise the flop unless you have a strong reason to believe he'll raise with overs

aggro factor of 5 (limited sample size, yes)
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Old 12-07-2005, 11:19 PM
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yea i'm not sure how confident I would be in that agg factor only after 60 hands though. That is really high and seems like it could be an aberration.
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Old 12-07-2005, 11:23 PM
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yea i'm not sure how confident I would be in that agg factor only after 60 hands though. That is really high and seems like it could be an aberration.

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agreed.

anyways, i am not concerned with the flop play. sometimes i bet out here, usually i check raise. the river was my dilemma [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 12-19-2005, 01:43 AM
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cr flop...

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Why?? Why even make a reply like this?

There is no reason to c/r this flop, you hand is weak and you need to protect it. C/R doesn't do it, betting does. C/R'ing builds a nice pot for overs to correctly call. I think this comes right down to that old TOP like process of "think why you raise".
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Old 12-19-2005, 02:15 AM
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you hand is weak and you need to protect it

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Are you kidding?? His hand is strong, and in a 3BB pot it hardly needs "protecting". Betting and having each player just call is disastrous here.
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Old 12-19-2005, 02:31 AM
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Betting and having each player just call is disastrous here.

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So, C/Ring, having him call is??? His read on the PRF is hyper-aggressive, he wants to induce a raise to knock out the SB.
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Old 12-19-2005, 02:44 AM
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you hand is weak and you need to protect it

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Are you kidding?? His hand is strong, and in a 3BB pot it hardly needs "protecting". Betting and having each player just call is disastrous here.

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disastrous? i dont see how thatd be disastrous, but i would go for the checkraise here every time...
its called v-a-l-u-e. this guy will not never check the flop through and i like your hand... if you dont cr, u cant cap...

joe tall, why are you always so effing effing concerned w/ "protecting your hand"?? your like a man possessed... scared of a little variance, quit playing SH LHE... i like to get value when i flop the nuts.

OP, river, ez ez call. of course call.
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