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#143
08-01-2005, 06:51 AM
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Re: Why choose Limit over No-Limit?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Limit: + It is easier to become proficient due to numerous good books on the subject [/ QUOTE ] hahahahahha. Man, that's to funny. NL is a more exciting game with a tourney structure than as a cash game. [/ QUOTE ] Did you mean to quote something else? I don't see the connection between your statement and the quote. [/ QUOTE ] It was actually two statements that do seem disconnected. The first sentence is in direct reply to quote. And the second is to something that should have been quoted but wasnt. Oh well. To late to edit. 
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#144
08-01-2005, 11:04 AM
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Re: Why choose Limit over No-Limit?
its relatively +EV. sure, because of the dead money it is +EV for both of you, but there is one line with is more +EV than the other. if the other player makes a +EV move (calling a flush draw getting 10-1 is +EV) you lose EV. not complicated. it doesnt mean it becomes -EV for you, it just takes some of yours away. its a zero sum game, like i said, so you dont need any math to see you dont want them caling.
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#145
08-01-2005, 02:18 PM
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Re: Why choose Limit over No-Limit?
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The previous poster was suggesting his EV increases if the chaser calls the bet. That isn't the case. The player with the made hand has negative EV on the chasers call compared to a fold. In Limit the bettor wants a fold, not a call. If the caller calls the $10 he improves his chance of gaining the pot and therefore reduces the chance of the made hand. If the chaser folds, the made hand gets 100% of the pot. [/ QUOTE ] It is true that the player with the made hand would prefer a fold in this situation. He will take down $100 if the guy chasing a flush folds. If the guy calls his $10 bet, he will then have 80% equity in a $120 pot ($96). He wins $4 less on average when he gets a call compared to a fold. That doesn't mean that betting is -EV though. The made hand should bet nevertheless, even if the player on the flush draw has exposed his hand and he knows he's up against the flush draw and knows he won't fold. Why? Because if he checks and the flush draw checks behind, then he has 80% equity in a $100 pot ($80). He gains $16 on average by betting when the opponent calls. The bet is +EV for the made hand. That doesn't mean he wants a call. Unfortunately in poker, you only get to pick your action, not your opponents. If you could do that, obviously the best move would be to check and have your opponent bet so you could raise him and then have him 3-bet you so you can cap and then have him fold. I'll leave the EV calucation on that as an excercise for the reader. You calculate the EV of _your_ actions, not your opponent's. An opponent calling is worse than a fold unless your advantage is greater than the ratio of the bet size to the pot. In other words, for a $10 bet into a $100 pot you have to be a 10:1 favorite in order to want a call.
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#146
08-01-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: Why choose Limit over No-Limit?
i dont agree with the fish, think more gamblers like online-casinoplayers will play NL. They dont care for money they want the thrill. NL and NL tourneys is the future exspecially tourneys. In the future the fish see poker like a lotterie lets spend 20$ perhaps i win a few grand, they dont want play 3 hours for 3$.
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#147
08-01-2005, 05:16 PM
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Re: Why choose Limit over No-Limit?
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The hand you will probably lose most money with in NL is AQ because of the reverse implied odds. [/ QUOTE ] AQ in NL = Win every small pot, lose every BIG pot. Procedure at your own risk. If you do not believe me, check your PT stats after 20,000 hands.
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#148
08-01-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: Why choose Limit over No-Limit?
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[ QUOTE ] The hand you will probably lose most money with in NL is AQ because of the reverse implied odds. [/ QUOTE ] AQ in NL = Win every small pot, lose every BIG pot. Procedure at your own risk. If you do not believe me, check your PT stats after 20,000 hands. [/ QUOTE ] I play full ring 100NL 114878 hands played AQs = 5th most profitable hand in terms of BB/hand AQo = 17th most profitable hand, still makes a profit, but not by a big margin
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#149
08-01-2005, 08:37 PM
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Re: Why choose Limit over No-Limit?
I need to catch up to you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] After about 20,000 PT hands (and many pre-PT hands) I am no where near that proficient in playing AQ. Of course, I tend to avoid playing it hard and hence my results probably reflect that fact.
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