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Old 11-13-2005, 10:53 PM
The Student The Student is offline
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Default Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

This is down to 180 players or so and I've been fairly liberal with my PFRs up to this point, but I haven't shown too many hands. Villian in this hand has been very tight, and I haven't seen him re-raise pre-flop in the past hour or so. Is this a bad fold here getting 2.5:1 pot odds? Is his range big enough that I should call here even though I run the risk of crippling myself?

NL Texas Hold'em Trny:17384419 Level:12 Blinds (500/1000) - Sunday, November 13, 20:47:04 EDT 2005
Table $500K Guaranteed(506970) Table #20 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: davidfaulk ( $51247 )
Seat 3: BurgerLover ( $11755 )
Seat 5: Caines1 ( $21825 )
Seat 6: Danielcerda ( $6401 )
Seat 7: gnarle_com ( $53180 )
Seat 8: F00LH0USE ( $7684 )
Seat 9: river_genius ( $4802 )
Seat 10: impliedcap ( $19484 )
Seat 2: Wogee ( $21315 )
Seat 4: man_w_noname ( $29003 )
Trny:17384419 Level:12
Blinds (500/1000)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BurgerLover [ Kc Qh ]
davidfaulk folds.
Wogee folds.
BurgerLover raises [2500].
man_w_noname folds.
Caines1 folds.
Danielcerda is all-In [6401]
gnarle_com folds.
F00LH0USE folds.
river_genius folds.
impliedcap folds.
BurgerLover ???

I fold this and I have M=6 with the blinds headed my way, but a pretty tight table that I have some FE against. Lose this and I'm down to M = 3.5 or so.

thoughts?

thanks,

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Old 11-13-2005, 11:19 PM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

i fold that in a shot if the guy is that tight,kqo is not nice all in
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:42 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

this is where i need help in figuring out what to do - i have the odds to call even if I'm dominated by A/K or A/Q, right? so the only hands I'm really afraid of here are KK and AA, right? just want help making sure that i understand the math and pot odds correctly.

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Old 11-14-2005, 12:55 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

I wouldn't raise with that hand in EP/MP. Too many players to act behind you. KQo isn't that great.
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

you are right on the pot odds bit but if the guy is really that tight he is reraising with aa,kk probably,QQ probably.

although maybe he was tight as he was getting junk cards sao hard to know,id feeel better folding this hand though
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Old 11-14-2005, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

so you just call it? i rather raise,you can steal the blinds which are worth 1500 now ,if reraised you can fold i suppose depending on who reriases
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Old 11-14-2005, 01:01 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

does this not look a lot like the siro/rizen hand?
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

kind of - but i'm not either of those guys and i sincerely doubt that my opponent is either. difference in that hand is that opponents know each other and i definitely don't know the opponent here.

more thought on it and i'm now convinced that if my stack was just a few BBs larger, it's a much easier call. i don't mind getting caught raising PF here with K/Qo - it's still one of the better hands that i had been raising with. i also think that the chance he has something besides AA, KK, or QQ is large enough to make the call EV+, but i still don't like having to call so much of my stack here.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:31 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

You're probably behind but the pot odds make it a decent call...
I give less credence to villain's tightness because he's so short stacked, but it still plays in, which makes it close. So I don't know.
I probably call but I don't read opponents well enough.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:00 AM
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Default Re: Hand from Party $500K: weak-tight or good fold here?

Oh dear god people, this is one of those INSTA CALLS.

Do I have to give a lesson on pot odds for [censored] sake?
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