Reads when 4+ tabling

housenuts · #1 10-13-2005, 04:48 AM

what sort of reads should I be looking at getting when 4+ tabling? often I find it tough enough to follow the action let alone develop a read, make a note about it, and then look up on that note later and act upon it.

what should i be looking for to maximize efficiency/effectiveness?

lacky · #2 10-13-2005, 06:03 AM

use pokertracker and playerview (or something like it) and learn what the numbers mean

Steve

housenuts · #3 10-13-2005, 01:34 PM

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use pokertracker and playerview (or something like it) and learn what the numbers mean

Steve

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i'm under the impression this isn't very useful for sng's due to changing blinds/stack sizes. it makes the situations so much different than a regular ring game.

KingDan · #4 10-13-2005, 01:44 PM

I like to make note of what a player likes to minraise with in EP.

schwza · #5 10-13-2005, 02:19 PM

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use pokertracker and playerview (or something like it) and learn what the numbers mean

Steve

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i'm under the impression this isn't very useful for sng's due to changing blinds/stack sizes. it makes the situations so much different than a regular ring game.

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still very useful. also see my post above re: watching the numbers change.

pearljam · #6 10-13-2005, 06:11 AM

usually the first thing I do when I open 4 up is look for people sitting in 2 or more of my tables, I note these players as multi tablers and assume that at the very least they have a clue.

Hornacek · #7 10-13-2005, 08:58 AM

There is usually at least one all-in preflop in the first round (at least at $33, and sometimes $55). Since I 8-table, and don't have time to make big time reads, I look at what kinds of hands people commit to AI PF, and make deductions based off of that.

Isura · #8 10-13-2005, 12:57 PM

I can usually keep good mental reads (no time for notes) when the game gets 5-handed or less when I'm 8-tabling. Just watch who's pushing a lot, who likes to call, etc.

schwza · #9 10-13-2005, 01:12 PM

i only 4-table, but the note i make most is something like "Q9 b15" meaning he limped Q9 at the 10/15 level. i'm not sure how useful it is, but it's good to know somebody's fishy and will probably stack off with TPNK if you keep betting.

then i rely mostly on PT/player view for pfr/vpip numbers, which is where 90% of my info comes from. it's useful to try to watch how they move. for example, if someone was 3/0 over 30 hands and then 12/8 over 40 they're a pushbot.

i also keep an eye out for people who do things like fold in the BB with 1 bb behind. they get tagged dnupo (does not understand pot odds).

pineapple888 · #10 10-13-2005, 01:24 PM

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then i rely mostly on PT/player view for pfr/vpip numbers, which is where 90% of my info comes from. it's useful to try to watch how they move. for example, if someone was 3/0 over 30 hands and then 12/8 over 40 they're a pushbot.

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Is this really all that useful, though? The whole point of the pushbot strategy is that it's robust-- the best you can do against pushbots once the pushing starts is turn into one yourself.

I don't use these stats programs because I'd rather rely on my own observations, but maybe this is a leak. Can they really be counted on to indicate subtleties like TL pre-flop, TW post-flop?