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03-15-2005, 08:42 PM
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I\'m bad at river play
Both my opponents here are loose and passive. They will call down with all kinds of 3-out draws to 1 pair.
I've probably answered my own question. But I'm pretty bad at knowing when to put in a value bet on the river. Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button folds. Turn: (4.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls. River: (7.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero...? Thoughts? What sorts of things should I be thinking about here? 
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#3
03-15-2005, 09:16 PM
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Re: I\'m bad at river play
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I would seriously consider checkraising the flop rather than leading into 5 people here. [/ QUOTE ] I figured my opponents were too passive to bet if they missed, and I wanted to get bets in while I had the equity to do so.
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#7
03-16-2005, 12:24 AM
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Re: I\'m bad at river play
I agree about the flop...but the "induce a bluff" line is just weak. I don't remember meeting a lot of loose, passive players who like to bluff busted draws against one opponent, much less two.
According to the original post, he has reason to believe that if he bets, he'll win more than enough to compensate for when he loses. He also has little reason to fear a raise behind him coming from a better hand or as a bluff. This is an EASY value bet.
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#8
03-15-2005, 09:01 PM
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Re: I\'m bad at river play
Bet the river. If you check, they will surely bet a king or something like 2-pair and will check through all other hands you beat (you know the drill). The 2nd best play is probably to check/fold with check/calling being the worst unless they will just take randoom stabs at the river (doesn't sounds like they will though).
Brad
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#10
03-15-2005, 11:56 PM
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Re: I\'m bad at river play
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Bet the river. If you check, they will surely bet a king or something like 2-pair and will check through all other hands you beat (you know the drill). The 2nd best play is probably to check/fold with check/calling being the worst unless they will just take randoom stabs at the river (doesn't sounds like they will though). Brad [/ QUOTE ] Gawd, I suck at river play. This has got to be the biggest leak in my game right now. I know I should bet the river, and I know why. Here's why sometimes I dont bet anyway. I have a marginal hand, and passive opponents whom I'm pretty sure are drawing to 1 or 2 overcards, probably an A or K. When that A or K comes on the river, I figure there's a very good chance that they have just sucked out to beat me. I know that there's no guarantee that I'm second best at this point, so I really want to show the hand down. If I bet the river, I figure someone who spiked TP will raise. But I really want to call, so the river could cost me up to 2 BB if I bet. If I just check with the intention of calling 1 BB 100% of the time (to snap off bluffs & lower pairs), showing down costs me a maximum of 1 BB. So I'll very often check-call this river, which shill says is the worst possible line. Someone pleasse show me the error of my ways.
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