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Old 11-10-2005, 01:53 PM
wudrow wudrow is offline
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Default Was this played correctly

3/6 live game. Hero is UTG+1. Villian is UTG. Read on Villian is a decent player who seams to have a rounded knowledge of game. There are 2-3 calling stations after me.

PreFlop: Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]/J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villian raises, I call, 2 more callers, SB folds, BB calls.
(10 SB)
I only called for value, due to flush posibilities. Knew if i just called 2-3 others would call to 2 bets but not 3.

Flop: K?/Q?/T? (No flush draws)
Villian bets, I call, 2 callers, BB folds.
(14 SB)
I only called to keep other 2 callers in and would raise on turn.

Turn: K? (No flush draws)
Villian bets, I raise, 2 folds, Villian re-raises, I call.

River: Q?
Villian bets, I call. Knew I was probably beat here but had to see.

Welcome any comments. Thanks.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Was this played correctly

i would raise this flop given the calling stations and the draw heavy board.. evrything else is ok
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:04 PM
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I would fold preflop. There's no way you can call this river.

Rob
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:54 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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On the river, you're basically hoping Villain has the same hand that you do. So, unless Villain got out of line somewhere before the river (with AA or JJ on the turn or J9 preflop), you're basically getting 6.5 to 1 on a call.

AJ is 9 combos.

KK = 1 combos
QQ = 1 combos
AK = 6 combos
KQ = 4 combos
TT = 3 combos

That seems good enough. (In fact, if you thought Villain would play all these combos exactly the same up until now but would lay down AJ to a raise, then you should raise.)

The thing is, though, a lot of people don't raise AJ preflop. Also, some people who held AJ might get disgusted on the river and check. (But that could be true for TT, too.)

But, anyway, if you think AJ is within Villain's preflop raising range, then calling the river and hoping to chop seems okay to me.
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Old 11-10-2005, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: Was this played correctly

why are we folding preflop? from the # of players i count, this is a 6-max hand and we should be 3-betting easily.

easy fold on the river IMO.
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Old 11-10-2005, 04:08 PM
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I am OK with preflop if you know this will be a multiway pot.

You know he has at least a king or AJ, when he 3-bets the turn , so I don't see how you can call the river (because I don't think he bets this river with AJ).
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Old 11-10-2005, 04:10 PM
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why are we folding preflop? from the # of players i count, this is a 6-max hand and we should be 3-betting easily.

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I think OP probably left out the folds.
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Old 11-10-2005, 04:57 PM
ghostface ghostface is offline
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Flop: K?/Q?/T? (No flush draws)
Villian bets, I call, 2 callers, BB folds.
(14 SB)
I only called to keep other 2 callers in and would raise on turn.

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This reasoning sucks. You only slowplay when you want your opponents to improve to a great second-best hand, and only in small pots where a bet or raise might make your opponents fold. This pot is BIG. Raise the flop and try to win it now.

Anytime there are 3 broadway cards on the flop, usually no one is going to be drawing dead to a straight.
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Old 11-10-2005, 08:47 PM
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Hi Wudrow,

I like the cold-call preflop. Too juicy to fold while you are unlikely to get headsup with UTG with that crowd behind you. It's also okay to cold-call because his range, if he is that astute of a player, should widen due to the weaker players behind you.

I would prefer a raise on the turn. Being that you said the players behind are calling stations, let them call two. If the players behind were tight (although if that were true, they wouldn't call preflop and the best play would have been to 3-bet preflop), then slowplaying the flop is fine.

The river sucks. But being that it's headsup, I would probably lose six more dollars like you did.
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