Flush on river but paired board

TeeJayORTj · #1 12-14-2005, 12:03 AM

This was a questionable raise PF its one I mix between Raise and Fold. MP in this hand is an sLP at 35/13 but decent PF. Button in this hand has only been at table a few hands. He has seen flop in all but one though.

I have trouble putting him on a hand here. And can't decide how many bets to put in on the river. I doubt he has KK but could he have JJ or AJd. He could just have KJ or overplayed AK. I am thinking a bet call is in order for this river. But what about a c/r call 3 bet. How do you play this river against an unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ??

TStoneMBD · #2 12-14-2005, 12:14 AM

omg please dont bet call why do that to yourself.

i dont like the turn lead. i think youll get raised alot and you have no chance to take it down.

im checkraising this river but a checkcall is close.

ihardlyknowher · #3 12-14-2005, 12:23 AM

I would raise this PF 3 off the Button every time.

I would just call the flop, because the value gained is pretty thin and checking the turn gives your hand anyway - which I would do with 2 players still in on the turn.

I think villains turn raise is either 2-pair (involving a 3), a set, or a complete bluff. Since we only beat a complete bluff. I would check-call the river, to let him bluff once again.

TStoneMBD · #4 12-14-2005, 12:25 AM

o thought this was 5 handed. i raise this from the HJ but i dont think it has value from UTG.

TeeJayORTj · #5 12-14-2005, 01:09 AM

My only issue with c/r is that I can't find a fold against a 3 bet.

Poldi · #6 12-14-2005, 01:20 PM

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My only issue with c/r is that I can't find a fold against a 3 bet.

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I dont think he 3bets anything that you beat.

spydog · #7 12-14-2005, 01:37 PM

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My only issue with c/r is that I can't find a fold against a 3 bet.

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I dont think he 3bets anything that you beat.

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He's unknown and an unknown can 3-bet KJ enough of the time to call it.