My issue with the death penalty(rant)

[[censored]]

I'd like to see decapitation brought back into the mix myself.

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]
I already said that I was only presenting facts.

It is up to the viewer to decide whether or not those facts make an arguement for or against the issue at hand. That's what I meant when I said they speak for themselves. A jury of 12 men and women saw those same pictures 25 years ago and decided they did.

I would welcome any discourse based on the evidence I present here that the jury was wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

Your 'evidence' certainly in no way proves that they were right. Nor does it in anyway prove that Tookie deserved to be killed, nor does it prove in anyway that the death penalty is a just punishment. I'm really asking what exactly you are tryin to 'prove' with your 'evidence.'

The evidence he posted basically buttresses the arguments made by the OP and a responder to the OP, therein making the same point as them.

[ QUOTE ]
I believe it should be reserved for only the worst offenders in our system.


[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
reservation of capital charges for only the most "heinous" crimes

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
I'd like to see decapitation brought back into the mix myself.

[/ QUOTE ]

As for me, drawing and quartering in a public square. It would deter me from ever murdering anyone.

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'd like to see decapitation brought back into the mix myself.

[/ QUOTE ]

As for me, drawing and quartering in a public square. It would deter me from ever murdering anyone.

[/ QUOTE ]

The problem is that it won't deter anyone who might actual murder someone from doing it.

It will certainly deter the murderer from ever murdering again.

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]
It will certainly deter the murderer from ever murdering again.

[/ QUOTE ]

As would a life sentence without parole.

That deters him from murdering a guard or some inmate who is in for only 2 or 3 years?

Also, are you aware that many gang leaders still coordinate crimes/murders from the inside?

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]

That deters him from murdering a guard or some inmate who is in for only 2 or 3 years?

[/ QUOTE ]

If he's deemed a continued risk to guards or other prisoners he can be kept isolated from the general prison population and heightened security to protect guards. This is done already in many places.

[ QUOTE ]

Also, are you aware that many gang leaders still coordinate crimes/murders from the inside?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I'm also aware that many of them aren't in jail for murder, so unless you're interested in execution for all crimes, I'm not sure how it matters. I also see that as a failure of prison security, not lenient sentencing.

[Exsubmariner]

"Your 'evidence' certainly in no way proves that they were right"

I think they would disagree. I submit to you that every level of the justice system that reviewed the case also disagreed, because Tookie is in fact dead.

"Nor does it in anyway prove that Tookie deserved to be killed"

That's what a jury of Tookies peers thought.

"nor does it prove in anyway that the death penalty is a just punishment."

That's what a jury of Tookies peers thought.

I've got an idea. Let's throw away the whole justice system because PoBoy321 doesn't think it's "right." Let's allow PoBoy to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for everyone.

Tell me PoBoy, is it "right" that an unarmed man was shot in the back and that two unarmed women were mercilessly killed by shotgun blast, one shot in the head, the other in the stomach, so long as you get to prove your point that it was "wrong" to execute Tookie?

"I'm really asking what exactly you are tryin to 'prove' with your 'evidence.' "

What can you prove with the 'evidence?' I'm proving that the justice system, in this case, worked the way it was intended to.