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#11
12-29-2005, 04:58 PM
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Re: Playing from the blinds: 9Ts
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[ QUOTE ] I'd have gone for a check-raise here. As you've played it though, 3-bet push. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I like a checkraise. If he calls your checkraise, whats your play on the turn if you miss everything? I prefer to get it all in on the flop if i can. [/ QUOTE ] The check-raise would be all in, [censored] how much is in the pot if he bets or whatever, I want to take it down and have a huge hand with a bazillion outs. 
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#12
12-29-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: Playing from the blinds: 9Ts
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'd have gone for a check-raise here. As you've played it though, 3-bet push. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I like a checkraise. If he calls your checkraise, whats your play on the turn if you miss everything? I prefer to get it all in on the flop if i can. [/ QUOTE ] The check-raise would be all in, [censored] how much is in the pot if he bets or whatever, I want to take it down and have a huge hand with a bazillion outs. [/ QUOTE ] I'd like to hear others thoughts on this play. Sure you can take down the (REALLY) tiny pot, but this way you're really not getting any value out of your big hand. By 3 bet pushing, it looks more like a SB special 2 pair or something of the sort. We would be happy to take it down on the flop (with more money in the pot) but if we get called, we have "a bajillion outs."
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#13
12-29-2005, 05:41 PM
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Re: Playing from the blinds: 9Ts
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'd have gone for a check-raise here. As you've played it though, 3-bet push. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I like a checkraise. If he calls your checkraise, whats your play on the turn if you miss everything? I prefer to get it all in on the flop if i can. [/ QUOTE ] The check-raise would be all in, [censored] how much is in the pot if he bets or whatever, I want to take it down and have a huge hand with a bazillion outs. [/ QUOTE ] I'd like to hear others thoughts on this play. Sure you can take down the (REALLY) tiny pot, but this way you're really not getting any value out of your [p]big hand. [/b] By 3 bet pushing, it looks more like a SB special 2 pair or something of the sort. We would be happy to take it down on the flop (with more money in the pot) but if we get called, we have "a bajillion outs." [/ QUOTE ] By - big hand - you mean our big draw? Sure we're the favorite on the flop to nearly every hand - but if we wait for the turn - we're usually a 2:1 or 3:2 dog...the pot may become bigger but our odds of winning are less... I'd only move in on the turn if I sensed weakness in the villian and knew my FE to be through the roof. Note: I've "slowplayed" exactly one draw. I had 2nd pair, and an OESFD on the flop. We don't have a hand worth 'slowplaying' here
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#14
12-29-2005, 05:46 PM
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Villain\'s Hand
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The question is, do I have enough FE to make this worthwhile often enough? [/ QUOTE ] Villain had slow played AA. My question still stands. I think this play is purely about this situation. Here's another hand where I think this question applies that occurred yesterday. 10 handed, blinds 10/15 Hero is BB dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 players see a flop. Flop (t90) is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Action: checked to MP who bets t75, CO calls, Hero c/r allin....
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#15
12-29-2005, 05:47 PM
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Re: Playing from the blinds: 9Ts
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By - big hand - you mean our big draw? Sure we're the favorite on the flop to nearly every hand - but if we wait for the turn - we're usually a 2:1 or 3:2 dog...the pot may become bigger but our odds of winning are less... I'd only move in on the turn if I sensed weakness in the villian and knew my FE to be through the roof. Note: I've "slowplayed" exactly one draw. I had 2nd pair, and an OESFD on the flop. We don't have a hand worth 'slowplaying' here [/ QUOTE ] I don't want to slowplay at all. I want to 3 bet push as Scuba did, not checkraise push as tigrite wanted to. It adds chips to the pot, and makes our hand look as strong as possible. There will be 90 chips in the pot if we checkraise push, but if we 3 bet push, there are 210. I think it gives us more credibility for a strong hand, and increases our FE. And i consider this hand a big hand because even tho its not a MADE hand, its still a favorite against most hands on this flop. Maybe i should have used the term "huge draw." My appologies.
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#17
12-29-2005, 05:53 PM
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Re: Playing from the blinds: 9Ts
I misunderstood you Pastorbator...sorry...
Its a toss up I think...w/the 3bet you win more - but you're also encouraging a call from a legitimate hand more... W/the CR you're winning less - but probably winning it outright more often.
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#18
12-29-2005, 05:56 PM
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Re: Playing from the blinds: 9Ts
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I think that having t210 in the pot if we 3-bet push decreases our FE because there's more chips in there, personally.. [/ QUOTE ] I think it increases our FE just because it gives our hand more credibility than check-raising and putting anoter 700 chips into a 90 chip pot. But i'm sure both are viable options.
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#19
12-29-2005, 06:00 PM
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Re: Villain\'s Hand
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[ QUOTE ] The question is, do I have enough FE to make this worthwhile often enough? [/ QUOTE ] Villain had slow played AA. My question still stands. I think this play is purely about this situation. Here's another hand where I think this question applies that occurred yesterday. 10 handed, blinds 10/15 Hero is BB dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 players see a flop. Flop (t90) is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Action: checked to MP who bets t75, CO calls, Hero c/r allin.... [/ QUOTE ] I think the main difference is pot to stack ratios in each hand. In the above hand you will more often only be called by hands where your K and Q are no good. In the first hand there is "enough" to warrant taking that risk. I'm not saying that the above hand isnt a good CR AI, just maybe less so.
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#20
12-29-2005, 06:01 PM
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Re: Playing from the blinds: 9Ts
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[ QUOTE ] I think that having t210 in the pot if we 3-bet push decreases our FE because there's more chips in there, personally.. [/ QUOTE ] I think it increases our FE just because it gives our hand more credibility than check-raising and putting anoter 700 chips into a 90 chip pot. But i'm sure both are viable options. [/ QUOTE ] True - but conversely you're laying out better odds for him to call with.
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