KK river fold - Page 2

winky51 · #11 11-13-2005, 04:13 PM

I would just call. Look at the hand being player here.

If hes on a flush draw he isnt going to call the raise.
If he has an 8 your behing.
If hes an idiot calling with J9 on the flop he hit his str8.
If he has 77 your dead.

I really don't think raising is right on the river with that flop. His play seems to retarded to bluff here.

But since he raised I think you're behind. He is only reraising if you are beat. Unless he is a LAG idiot I don't see calling. Fine your getting 15:1 on the odds but your beat.

B Dids · #12 11-14-2005, 02:50 PM

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I don't like it. Either call the 3 bet or don't raise. 14:1 is enough to call imo.

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/sign.

I think just calling the river bet is the best. Just based on what I know of players in games like this.

#13 11-14-2005, 02:57 PM

player ahead defintally has solid pair and is trying to curve the betting, so raising is right, but when player three bets, he most likely will have the trips, yet 1 out of 15 times is enough for him to possibly have top pair, so a call was warrented.

paperboyNC · #14 11-14-2005, 03:42 PM

Here's a good example. I was not the hero in this hand.

BB is 55/6/1.13 (Loose Passive)

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 4 folds, BB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Tc Qc (one pair, eights).
Hero has 6s 6h (two pair, eights and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.16 BB.

jason_t · #15 11-14-2005, 03:45 PM

I really don't understand what the point of this is. Should I post the results that I folded and he showed 88 to prove that my fold was correct? Of course not as that's not the point.

Plus that AF with that VPIP isn't that passive.

tiltaholic · #16 11-14-2005, 03:46 PM

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Here's a good example. I was not the hero in this hand.

BB is 55/6/1.13 (Loose Passive)

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 4 folds, BB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Tc Qc (one pair, eights).
Hero has 6s 6h (two pair, eights and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.16 BB. 

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doesn't an agg. of 1.13 w/ a vp of 55 make him rather aggressive?

paperboyNC · #17 11-14-2005, 03:52 PM

Another one.. BB is 59/9/1.90. A little aggressive, but not a maniac. I obviously had the nuts here. But even K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] had him beat.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

River: (20.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls $7.19 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.56 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 2s Ts (one pair, twos).
Hero has Kc Ac (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 24.56 BB.

paperboyNC · #18 11-14-2005, 03:53 PM

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I really don't understand what the point of this is. Should I post the results that I folded and he showed 88 to prove that my fold was correct? Of course not as that's not the point.

Plus that AF with that VPIP isn't that passive.

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A poster asked for examples of unknown villains that 3-bet the river on a paired board with nothing.

MrEngenic · #19 11-14-2005, 04:01 PM

Why don't you just call him. I don't like raising and folding to a 3bet.

callmedonnie · #20 11-14-2005, 04:12 PM

I don't think anyone three bets here w/out trips or better. I have yet to call this line down and win.