More Donk Nonsense

naphand · #1 05-20-2005, 07:04 AM

TABLE CONDITIONS: It has becomes very short. SB is a not altogether stupid LAG (V$IP 40+ PFR 15+ WtSD 34 W$@SD 56) who is running good. Some loose calls PF but otherwise his raises are generally OK, and he plays fairly well post-flop. His limps are as sign of weakness (e.g. weak Aces) and there are a few pretty loose post-calls sprinkled about. His play indicates a lack of appreciation of position. BB is not really involved in this hand.

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Preflop: Naphand is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Naphand raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Naphand calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Naphand bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Naphand bets, SB raises, Naphand 3-bets, SB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Naphand [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I really want to raise this. Everything about his PF, flop and Turn play is consistent with a good Ace or PP IMO. I cannot put him on a flush, but will puke if I get 3-bet here. My mouse is poised over the raise button. Anyone just call?

deepsquat · #2 05-20-2005, 07:18 AM

I dont mind a raise here, i cant see him raising the turn on a heart draw. Would i do it? no.. im too much of a pussy [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

billyjex · #3 05-20-2005, 07:26 AM

nap,

this is a hard raise for me, but i am a big pussy on the river. i'm too scared of a 3-bet because i will throw up in my mouth, but i think a raise is good here because he's most likely being stupid with an ace or such. people get very aggro 3 handed.

stigmata · #4 05-20-2005, 07:29 AM

I think you have to raise this. His preflop 3-bet, flop check suggests (coming from a LAG) that the flop hit him hard. A Lag will always autobet the flop here, unless he hit something good. His check-raise on the turn confirms his slowplay plan. Which suggests he has a Big Ace. However, he can't have a big ace and the flush, so you really have to keep betting.

The worst case scenario is that his turn check-raise was a true monster (AA, A8, 99). However, his lack of turn cap suggests this is not the case. I think you have a definate value raise on the river, and call if 3-bet.

krishanleong · #5 05-20-2005, 07:30 AM

I call.

Krishan

naphand · #6 05-20-2005, 07:43 AM

Why?

stinkypete · #7 05-20-2005, 07:44 AM

that's a very donky donk.

i think it's very close. i can't tell you what i'd do without being there.

krishanleong · #8 05-20-2005, 08:30 AM

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Generally I don't make idiots of people twice when it's possible for them to have a hand. He tried to make a play at you on the turn and you slapped him around like a rag doll by 3-betting him. He then leads a scare card on the river. He already made 1 play at the pot and you said, "NO" in a very loud voice. He can't expect you to fold in this spot. So instead of the 3 options being, he has the flush, he's bluffing, he has a hand worth calling a raise, the options are only he has the flush and he has a hand worth calling a raise.

I may not be very clear here. The reason I call is I've already make a lot of bets on big streets from him and there is a chance I'm behind. If he hadn't check-raised the turn I definitely would raise the river.

Krishan

@bsolute_luck · #9 05-20-2005, 08:34 AM

i'd just call. a c/r and then stop-n-go: 99 maybe that figures he'll get more this way with a 3-bet on the river. that would be my quess.

krishanleong · #10 05-20-2005, 01:42 PM

bump for results or a brilliant conclusion (or a funny joke only englishmen get).

Krishan