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Old 12-30-2005, 05:05 PM
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Default 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
[color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Hero calls, [color=#666666]3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (4.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Should I have folded this hand down, maybe raised the flop for a free card, or did I play it right?
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Old 12-30-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

Fold preflop. I'd play postflop the same.
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Old 12-30-2005, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

Fold J10o in a 6 person game with no raise??!? AWhy is that?
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Old 12-30-2005, 05:20 PM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

because it's a pretty crappy hand with 4 people to act behind you. IMO, raising it is slightly +EV from CO if you play well postflop and the guys behind you aren't particularly loose and/or aggressive. I would almost never raise it from MP though.
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Old 12-30-2005, 06:13 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

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Fold J10o in a 6 person game with no raise??!? AWhy is that?

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Because it's too weak to raise from that position. Since you can't raise, fold. One of the mantras of 6-max is never, ever open-call.
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Old 12-30-2005, 06:13 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

Fix the color problem by changing the option from FTR to 2+2.
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Old 12-30-2005, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

I raise PF. I never open-limp in SH.
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Old 12-30-2005, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

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Fold preflop. I'd play postflop the same.

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Unless you're limping some monsters too it's too obvious you have a weak hand when you limp. With the lack of observation from opponents at this level and the fact that you may never see them again, I think limping good hands to disguise your weak hands is giving up too much value. Your weak hands are probably marginally +EV at best anyway with hgue variance, whereas losing value with definite +EV hands is more than enough to eliminate any winnings there.
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

By open limp do you mean when you call with only the blinds involved, or just calling the BB in general? Say UTG limps and you are in button, is it bad to limp a hand like j10 there?
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Old 12-30-2005, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 situation, call down, raise flop, fold?

I almost never open limp in short-handed games, and I certainly wouldn't do so with this hand.

Post flop, I prefer a flop-raise, check behind on turn, and call on river. You'll save a SB most of the time this way.
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