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Old 11-28-2005, 09:55 PM
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Default Common situation in MP

It's folded to you in MP and you hold a small pair. The table has been playing loose passive pf (30/5). What's your move and why?

This has been causing me problems. I feel like it's a hand that I need to be playing, but I really hate to the open limper at the table. I also can't see any value in raising with these either. I've been folding these lately and wondering if I've been giving anything up.
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Old 11-28-2005, 09:57 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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This is definitely raise or fold. If you feel that raising will often just get the hand 3 to 4 handed out of position with little fold equity on the flop, folding is fine.
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:17 PM
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This is definitely raise or fold. If you feel that raising will often just get the hand 3 to 4 handed out of position with little fold equity on the flop, folding is fine.

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If the table is loose/passive what is wrong with limping here. If you can't get everyone to fold for two bets, but can get everyone to call for one bet. Sounds like the perfect situation for a set hand.
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:30 PM
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This is definitely raise or fold. If you feel that raising will often just get the hand 3 to 4 handed out of position with little fold equity on the flop, folding is fine.

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If the table is loose/passive what is wrong with limping here. If you can't get everyone to fold for two bets, but can get everyone to call for one bet. Sounds like the perfect situation for a set hand.

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The problem is that everyone won't call, so if you limp for set value, you probably aren't getting sufficient implied odds to see a flop.

I tend to raise here unless the chance of folding everyone is zero. If I get callers and miss my set, I often get a free card and another small chance of hitting it.

Didn't someone do Turbo Texas Hold'em simulations for this problem? I remember a similar thread with EV estimates.

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