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#41
11-28-2005, 03:55 PM
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Re: Turn - What thinkest thou?
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I considered that, but how often is a very loose (he was very loose right?) player folding top pair in a big pot like this? [/ QUOTE ] The OP says he was unknown. Not very often, probably not enough to make it worth losing possible extra money from the SB's KK or whatever. -McGee 
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#43
11-28-2005, 04:00 PM
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Re: Turn - What thinkest thou?
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I considered that, but how often is a very loose (he was very loose right?) player folding top pair in a big pot like this? [/ QUOTE ] Never.
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#44
11-28-2005, 04:07 PM
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Re: Turn - What thinkest thou?
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[ QUOTE ] To all those in the call camp, is it really worth risking 2 BBs to win 4 BBs with a hand this marginal? [/ QUOTE ] No - I would fold after further consideration. I think the micro "you're weak/tight if you fold ever because Ed Miller said so" forum has scarred me for life. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, I never fold anymore. I call down because I always have at least an overcard or backdoor draw of some sort. If I make top, bottom, or middle pair with any kind of kicker I have two pair and trip outs, and the pot is always big enough to justify continuing. I used to be a rock, now I'm loose-passive!
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#46
11-28-2005, 04:57 PM
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Re: Results
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River came 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I fully plan on calling a bet. He checks. I bet, he calls with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] On a side note, I think you extracted the most by not raising this turn. edit: Then again, who knows with this type of player. He may have called a raise and a river bet.
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#48
11-28-2005, 05:21 PM
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Re: Results
well done. Yea, I had a feeling a river check provided a value bet. Just to make sure, did sb call turn bet to see river or just fold?
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#49
11-28-2005, 06:56 PM
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Re: Turn - What thinkest thou?
Is SB one of those who play tight, but can't lay down KK-JJ when an ace flops? He doesn't seem to like his hand very much at this point, yet, he doesn't fold. A big pair is a possibility, or he could be on a flushdraw (would he raise KQs, KJs preflop?)
When SB checks the flop he could be going for a check-raise, but if he had an ace wouldn't it be obvious to bet it? I would call to see what happens. When the board pairs we have a good chance of chopping with BB (not to mention BB could be semibluffing with a draw), and I would call down and hope SB keeps overcalling. If a big pair is what he has, he is making a mistake, and I want him to make it so I don't raise. Those times he is on a flush draw we should raise, but since raising won't protect our hand against a flushdraw anyway, and since SB's tightness makes a big pair more likely than a draw (or at least that's what I think), I just call. If it's checked to me on the river, I bet. If a third spade falls and there's a bet in front of me I have to think long and hard.
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