Ethical question/ how to beat a "beginner" - Page 3

DigitalMonkey · #21 06-07-2005, 11:06 AM

First Lesson: Don't solicit advice from a player you are in a pot against.

bernie · #22 06-07-2005, 11:37 AM

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Did your opponent's call significantly effect his spending money?

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Once someone buys in, this isn't a factor. If one is worried about this, it is addressed before the buy in.

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bernie · #23 06-07-2005, 11:45 AM

This type of move could put a damper on the game. Be aware of that.

I wouldn't have explained all that. If he asked me, I would've just said 'because I have a good hand.' That's it. Then if he wants to discuss it afterwards, then I'll go more into it. If I knew the player better and we had a bunch of BS banter going on, I might've elaborated the way you did.

If the guy was to bitch and moan to me that you did this to him, I'd just welcome him to poker. It's a mean game. Even among friends. It's the nature.

He may have called regardless of what you said to him.

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dabluebery · #24 06-07-2005, 03:01 PM

It seems like you made mention of the fact that you could have him beat, but went on to be misleading about it. Either don't say anything, citing any number of reasons people have already given you, or make a clear statement that accurately describes the situation to a new player.

"I could have you beat with a 4th king or a higher pair, or I could be trying to bluff you out of a pot we would normally split."

If you feel the need to say anything, say it like that. Keep the subjective editorials to a minimum, or else you'll wind up feeling guilty for a very good reason.

Sasnak · #25 06-07-2005, 04:02 PM

If this were to happen in one of our home games you would be shunned like a traitorous Klingon Warrior whom makes his home on Romulus. Your name would never again be spoken and your House would be stripped of all Honor.

You play like a Ferengi in the House of Duras. Ferengi have no Honor. Q'Pla!

fjcomm02 · #26 06-08-2005, 09:51 AM

I hope you aren't friends with this guy.

deetle · #27 06-08-2005, 11:37 AM

I think the best way to avoid this situation is do not discuss a hand while it is still live.
You could have simply explained your play after the hand was completed.

MtDon · #28 06-08-2005, 04:10 PM

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Did your opponent's call significantly effect his spending money?

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Once someone buys in, this isn't a factor. If one is worried about this, it is addressed before the buy in.

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Even though I asked the question, I generally agree with you.

1. When I posted my reply I wasn't aware he was playing a tournament. The begginner was probably going to lose his buy-in anyway.

2. The amount of money does matter as to the effect losing the money will have on the beginner and therefore the effect on the game, the poster's image, etc.

Wilcs18 answered my question saying it was a $5 or $10 buy-in tournament. So it is safe to conclude that the amount of money lost was not a big deal. Of course, no matter what the amount some people will get upset when they lose. In fact, even when there is no money involved. But the larger the amount of money lost compared to a person's net worth, or yearly income, the more important it usually is.

I think knowing the amount of money involved also might affect the opinion of some of the people who wrote they thought it was unethical or not good for the game, etc.

-- Don

wdbaker · #29 06-09-2005, 03:28 AM

Wow,
when I saw the picture I couldn't believe it, one of the greatest quants in the trading(derivatives, etc...)field, I am humbled.

I presume you are still hanging out at wilmott.com

I will definately be keeping my eye on you [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Lots of smart math people here but not sure how many quants.

sorry for derailing the thread... NOT [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

One Street at a Time
wdbaker Denver, Co

bernie · #30 06-09-2005, 04:47 AM

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2. The amount of money does matter as to the effect losing the money will have on the beginner and therefore the effect on the game, the poster's image, etc

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Not sure if you agreed, but I still stand by my original response here.

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Once someone buys in, this isn't a factor. If one is worried about this, it is addressed before the buy in.

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Once the money is on the table and in play...

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