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Old 12-24-2005, 12:00 AM
canis582 canis582 is offline
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Default Re: A Caution About Sample Size

Here is a video and a transcript of the segment.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/22/...ite-supremacy/

If any part of it was faked, you can bet Newscorp would insta-sue think progress.

So whats this arguement you are making about not knowing exactly what was in the segment?

Just admit that it is completely indefensible and not unrelated to fox cable news. Fox cable news would not allow an affiliate to air a pro-liberal story, but it allows them to promote hate sites.
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Old 12-24-2005, 12:31 AM
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OK, canis, I just watched the video, on your recommendation.

Overall, it had the feel of a factual piece of reportage--although at the end, it may have seemed a tad "inviting" to the viewer, perhaps. That is about where the segment got cut off.

I don't see it as championing Stormfront; it does give the group some publicity; and the lack of much negativity in the piece is somewhat notable.

I don't know much about Stormfront, other than what that piece reported; if the report is an accurate overall characterization, then Stormfront would not seem nearly as bad as, say, the KKK or the Neo-Nazis.

I guess I'll take a browse over to the Stormfront website now and see what impressions can be gathered; now I'm curious if they are really Neo-Nazis or the like, or if it is much less bad than all that.
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:20 AM
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OK, so I just went over and browsed the Stormfront forums.

Altogether, the forums struck me as pretty boring and somewhat depressing. There appeared to be a range of posters, from the radical to the mundane. I don't think most of them were as far out as Neo-Nazis, but I would suppose most of them are racists.

They seem to be trying to put a different tack on things, to appeal to the average schmoe who won't go for goose-stepping or white robes: sort of a white-pride separatist tack, rather than an "anti" to others. That is, focus is much more on "pro-white", rather than on "anti-black" (for instance). And I got the impression that this was a genuine thrust as well, for many of the members,

All in all, like I said: rather boring and depressing. It was disappointing that the site itself seemed to be only a forum, and did not have an "About Us" or "Our Principles" page, as things like that were only addressed within the forums.

By the way, I don't see anything wrong with Fox Carolina doing a report on the group--after all, various news media have done reports or exposes on groups like the KKK and the Nation of Islam, too, as well as on more innocuous groups--but I do think the report should have had more outside objective assessments and verifiable information, rather than mostly just reporting on what members had to say about themselves and the group. And yes, I did get the feeling, as mentioned before, that the Fox Carolina report seemed a tad "inviting" perhaps, especially at the end where it was cut off.

All in all, I don't think most of those guys are like full-blown KKKers or Neo-Nazis, though some probably are: my impression is that their average member is sort of a "lite" version, is a race or cultural supremacist who believes in the white race and European heritage and culture--and may wish to even secede or something like that, in order to have a "pure" region or country to live in. Some also believe in eugenics.

Well, that's the trip report.
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:40 AM
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Just admit that it is completely indefensible and not unrelated to fox cable news. Fox cable news would not allow an affiliate to air a pro-liberal story, but it allows them to promote hate sites.

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Does the Fox News Channel have editorial control over every piece broadcast on a Fox Network local affiliate? I seriously doubt it. You said they allowed it. Is this a fact? Did Roger Ailes or other Fox Netowrk executives know about this piece and approve it?
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