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07-17-2005, 04:53 AM
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A situation I\'m often faced with..
I'm holding 88 in a live 40-80 game in EP. UTG folds, I raise, all fold to cutoff who calls and everyone else folds. Cutoff is a good player that is somewhat decent postflop.
Flop is A-9-2. I bet, he calls. Turn is a 7. I bet, he calls. River is 5. What's my plan now? Thanks Lawrence 
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#2
07-17-2005, 05:14 AM
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Re: A situation I\'m often faced with..
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I'm holding 88 in a live 40-80 game in EP. UTG folds, I raise, all fold to cutoff who calls and everyone else folds. Cutoff is a good player that is somewhat decent postflop. Flop is A-9-2. I bet, he calls. Turn is a 7. I bet, he calls. River is 5. What's my plan now? Thanks Lawrence [/ QUOTE ]first, CO is not a good player. the only hand a good player could possibly play this way would be KK... WRT to your Q, easy check/fold on the river.
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#3
07-17-2005, 08:01 AM
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Re: A situation I\'m often faced with..
...err, I think Co would 3 bet KK not coldcall. Actually it's a little fishy that a good player would coldcall anything here.
I don't like open raising with 88 or 99 EP. If anyone comes in behind you your out of position with a hand that's difficult to play. I just limp in here. I save 88 and 99 for isolation plays against 1 limper or 1 LAG raiser. Anyhow, it sound like you're up against something like AQs, AJs, ATs. I'd check fold the river.
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#5
07-18-2005, 02:10 PM
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Re: A situation I\'m often faced with..
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first, CO is not a good player. the only hand a good player could possibly play this way would be KK... WRT to your Q, easy check/fold on the river [/ QUOTE ] Wow... Any player with 1/2 a clue of how to play post flop would just call here with any hand he cold called with that contains an Ace. Villian knows OP i'm sure, and knows his standards. Villian, then, with something like AJs or AQs, stands to gain NOTHING by raising this flop or turn, as he's going to get 3 bet by AK, and KK-88 will insta-muck. This is one of those times where calling is correct, at least until the river, to let the guy with 2 outs blow of a couple of bets. lf
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#6
07-18-2005, 03:15 PM
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Re: A situation I\'m often faced with..
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[ QUOTE ] first, CO is not a good player. the only hand a good player could possibly play this way would be KK... WRT to your Q, easy check/fold on the river [/ QUOTE ] Any player with 1/2 a clue of how to play post flop would just call here with any hand he cold called with that contains an Ace. [/ QUOTE ]im implying that coldcalling here with A/face sucks. i see ppl play AQ like this all the time. it sucks. also if a player coldcall AQ PF, flop play is to raise, there are very basic FTOP and metagame reasons for this... what is the PFR going to think when you call on this A92r flop(assuming they know you are solid/tight PF).
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#7
07-18-2005, 05:49 PM
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Re: A situation I\'m often faced with..
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] first, CO is not a good player. the only hand a good player could possibly play this way would be KK... WRT to your Q, easy check/fold on the river [/ QUOTE ] Any player with 1/2 a clue of how to play post flop would just call here with any hand he cold called with that contains an Ace. [/ QUOTE ]im implying that coldcalling here with A/face sucks. i see ppl play AQ like this all the time. it sucks. also if a player coldcall AQ PF, flop play is to raise, there are very basic FTOP and metagame reasons for this... what is the PFR going to think when you call on this A92r flop(assuming they know you are solid/tight PF). [/ QUOTE ] PFR isn't going to know what to think, isn't that the goal? I understand not liking a cold-call w/ AQo in this spot, but how about AQs, or AJs, or AKs. Its a trap, and a good one, especially if the PFR is willing to bet twice with a hand that can't come close to top pair. lf
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#9
07-17-2005, 10:24 AM
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Re: A situation I\'m often faced with..
If you're gonna make a move on this sort of board with this sort of opponent, I prefer a turn check-raise.
As far as your river, looks like a pretty obvious check-fold. Good players aren't putting in 1.5 BBs on this dry of a board without putting 2.5 if need be to get to showdown.
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#10
07-18-2005, 07:22 AM
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Re: A situation I\'m often faced with..
i just read poker bob's post, and he also raised 88 from EP. This is not a normative play for me. Can someone explain to me when such a play with lower pairs might be correct?
(My guess is that you want to get rid of overcards and try to get heads up. This would be more likely in tighter games. Should this type of raise be reserved only for pretty tight, yet passive games?)
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