lost with TPTK

schwza · #1 10-24-2005, 10:21 AM

$30+3. villain just moved to the table. what's my plan? if you say bet, what do i do if villain raises?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t4089)
MP3 (t505)
CO (t870)
Button (t1745)
SB (t865)
BB (t900)
Hero (t2975)
UTG+1 (t1155)
UTG+2 (t5305)
MP1 (t1915)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t150, 3 folds, MP2 calls t150, 5 folds.

Flop: (t375) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t250, MP2 calls t250.

Turn: (t875) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

hero?

i have 2575, villain covers by ~1.5k.

#2 10-24-2005, 10:26 AM

Because of the flush draw, I couldn't give my opponent a free card here. The queen might have given AQ a hand that beat me, or I might be behind to a set or AJ, but the flush draw wouldn't make me slow down here. I'd continue the aggression and bet 600 and go from there.

schwza · #3 10-24-2005, 10:31 AM

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Because of the flush draw, I couldn't give my opponent a free card here. The queen might have given AQ a hand that beat me, or I might be behind to a set or AJ, but the flush draw wouldn't make me slow down here. I'd continue the aggression and bet 600 and go from there.

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and if villain raises?

#4 10-24-2005, 10:47 AM

I'd use up all my time bank on this one, wondering if he is bluffing me with a flush draw, or if he is loose enough to have KT (possibly suited of spades, which would be a good draw on that flop), or has my ace beat right now. I'd probably fold and still have 2000 chips to play with if he raised me, because there can't be too many hands that I'd be ahead of here that would raise me there after calling a decent bet on the flop and me throwing another good bet on the turn. I am behind to AQ, AJ, KT, 88, JJ, or QQ here, and I can't think of a hand that would raise me here that doesn't have my TPTK beat. So I'd give it up and live to fight another battle.

woodguy · #5 10-24-2005, 11:04 AM

Ugh.

I don't think you have enough chips to check-call to the river.

I think I check and either raise all in or fold depending on his bet size.

Ugly freaking spot, I don't know what's right here.

Regards,
Woodguy

hurlyburly · #6 10-24-2005, 11:30 AM

I've learned that when I'm playing my hand straight and it's semi-strong but the board isn't cooperating, to give the villain credit for what he's representing. Trust your gut.

schwza · #7 10-24-2005, 11:32 AM

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Ugh.

I don't think you have enough chips to check-call to the river.

I think I check and either raise all in or fold depending on his bet size.

Ugly freaking spot, I don't know what's right here.

Regards,
Woodguy

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i don't get what you mean. do you c/r a small bet and check/fold a big one? what do you do if he bets 550?

woodguy · #8 10-24-2005, 11:39 AM

Probably come over the top of a bigger bet and as a small one *probably* wants to get called, but really not being in the hand, I'm not sure.

Again, I really don't know what's right here.

Given that he called on that board and the Q coming off the turn I'm having problems putting him on a hand you beat, unless he's an uber-donk.

Regards,
Woodguy

schwza · #9 10-24-2005, 11:54 AM

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Given that he called on that board and the Q coming off the turn I'm having problems putting him on a hand you beat, unless he's an uber-donk.

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agreed. only possible hands i'm ahead of are hands like AT/A9/KK/x [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. these aren't that likely. in retrospect, i think i should've checked and folded to any reasonable bet, and check/called a tiny bet (and spiked a T). but i didn't...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t4089)
MP3 (t505)
CO (t870)
Button (t1745)
SB (t865)
BB (t900)
Hero (t2975)
UTG+1 (t1155)
UTG+2 (t5305)
MP1 (t1915)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t150, 3 folds, MP2 calls t150, 5 folds.

Flop: (t375) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t250, MP2 calls t250.

Turn: (t875) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t550, MP2 calls t550.

River: (t1975) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

hero?

i have 2045 left.

cferejohn · #10 10-24-2005, 11:55 AM

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Given that he called on that board and the Q coming off the turn I'm having problems putting him on a hand you beat, unless he's an uber-donk.

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How about JT of spades? Seems a reasonable guess. Of course, that's just about the only reasonable hand you beat, unless he's the sort to call preflop raises with small-to-medium suited connectors like 9Ts, 89s, etc.