Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble

[sirio11]

Ok here are the facts

20 people left playing in tables A, B and C.

18 places are paid.

18th paid $6,900

Blinds are 1k-2k with 300 ante

I have about a 32k stack

I'm playing at table B

A guy in my table just lost a big hand and announces he's all in in the dark with less than 1k.

I'm dealt 77 UTG, since I want to be sure the AI guy is gone and want to win the blinds, I raise to 8k. UTG+1 calls and JC Tran in the button calls.

Pot is about 31k

flop comes JJ6

I check, UTG+1 checks and JC Tran bets about 8k

then I started to think and think

I know JC knows the bubble situation and he knows the AI guy has a random hand

I spent like 5 minutes and decided to call

Somebody went AI in table C and lost

19 players left

Hand by hand is announced

Turn card a Q and I check in the dark

Nobody noticed my check and after like 5 more minutes somebody calls the clock on me.

I told JC I already checked.

He then proceeds to bet like 20k

I have like 15k left and the pot is like 65k

18th money and 10th place money are almost the same

The floor is at my table

So, I asked that if I call and lost, Am I the guy with the bubble money? I'm just thinking about the AI guy (with 1k and random hand and me.

Somebody in the table (maybe possible even in the rail say yes)

The floor didn't say a word

So, I'm assuming it's true and make the call

JC Tran has TT and bust me out

After some minutes, I'm told that we're splitting 18th money 3 ways !!!!

The guy in table C, the 1k guy and me !!!

I go nuts and I am pretty mad because the floor didn't say a word when I asked.

So, instead of paying me $6960, they are giving me $2330

Is there anything I can do?


Help !!!!

[whiskeytown]

it's supposed to be the shortest stack gets 19th -

I think you could probably make a case in a Tournament Rules guide - otherwise, you're boned - but you did ok in another one, right [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

RB

[ansky451]

I think you should simply look up whatever tournament rule book they are using for this event. I'm pretty sure there is a standard operating procedure for a situation like this.

[zambonidrivr]

limp preflop, fold to the raise.

GG

[betgo]

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limp preflop, fold to the raise.

GG

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I am not sure I like raising 1/4 of your stack UTG with 77. Even with the big ante, I don't think you can push. You are basically trying to steal the blinds, so, if you have to raise, make a smaller raise you can get away from.

Also, the fact that there is the player allin in the dark is a disadvantage. Even if everyone folds, you can still lose the main pot. Limping is a possibility. I assume the table is tight with the bubble. Otherwise, I would fold 77 UTG with 16xBB and the short stack allin. I really don't like raising here.

[suckbot]

Sounds to me that the moral of the story is make sure it comes from the mouth of the floor.

In general sounds like the whole situation got a little frenzied with the missed check, called time, then all-in bet, etc.

Still think it should have been paid out by starting chipstack.

[boedeker]

The strange thing is - how would they be able to manage the pay by starting chip stack? everyone counts their chips before each hand during h4h?

[betgo]

Are you allowed to bet out of turn and go allin in the dark? There might actually be a point to the play, as it might effect the action favorably for you. The short stack also has to pay ante each hand and gets good pot odds allin, so he usually wants to go allin.

[MikeSmith]

why raise so much w/ 77? just call and check it down with whoever else. If someone else bets in this situation then you are probably beat, dont assume he is trying to win pots pre bubble unless he has been buying pots left and right prior to this hand im folding.

[bruce]

Most casinos will do exactly what happened to you when you busted out on the bubble. If multiple players bust when
going hand for hand either at the same table or different tables the money is divided equally regardless of how many chips you started with. It's very difficult for a casino
to keep track of chip counts at multiple tables. At the final table when two players bust than whoever has the most
chips to start with winds up with a higher place. In this
scenario the tournament director knows exactly how many chips a player has prior to the start of the hand. This is
at least the procedure used in all of the So. Ca. casinos
and at the WSOP.

Getting back to your hand why play pocket Sevens UTG. There's one all in player already and unless you move all in BTF someone might try a squeeze play on you. When JC bets
I have to figure that he probably has a better hand than me.
What's his calling range BTF? Either a pocket pair which almost has to be bigger than yours or Ace Big. With a big
Ace I'd expect him to reraise BTF. There are a lot more combos of pocket pairs than AK. Even if we include AQ in his calling range your behind. I doubt he would call in that spot with AQ anyway.

Bruce