$22 - 99 is an overpair in a raised pot

[Simplistic]

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I didn't say he is, I said he can. I think that betting here is highly exploitable.

[/ QUOTE ]i don't see you getting raised with any 2 if you take aggression on the flop.

if you bet into him and he raises, muck and you move on.

if you check-raise him, what do you if he smooth calls/re-raises you. keep in mind you're out of position.

either or, you have to show some kind of aggression on this flop. if the only reason you're calling his raise is for set value, then fold. but this is just about the ideal flop for 9s.

[tigerite]

This is nasty. He could be bluffing two overcards as a continuation bet especially as he has position. There's nothing on this flop he should be scared of, rainbow 843 is surely as safe as you can get. Why would he bet a big overpair here? I don't know. I can see arguments for folding and raising, to be honest. It's always a situation I find tough. Calling I think is pretty much out of the question, though.

[kevkev60614]

I think you have to fold. The only reason you played a middle pair OOP to begin with was for set value, right? I don't think that three unders flopping changes that. If you raise or call here, I think you end up risking more chips than you'd like.

[flyingmoose]

Run and find some people who don't care and yell at them "This is the hand I was supposed to go broke on, but I can dodge bullets baby!!"

I'd need a pretty good read to get my chips in the middle with a pair of nines in level one of a 22. I don't think your hand is strong enough against MP3's range -- and I don't think the pot is big enough to be worth defending with your tournament life.

[mlagoo]

I would have led out here (if I called PF, which I think I would have) and folded to a raise.

Having checked, I'm not CR-ing, because it has to be for my whole stack, and 99 is not that strong here, and he isn't folding TT ever. If I come along at all, however, I'm calling with this line in mind: on a non A-K turn, I'm betting out for a little over half pot and calling a push. On an A-K turn, I'm betting out for a little over half pot and folding to a push.

I really don't like C/Ring this flop with that bet size though, because I'm not into playing for my whole stack against a PF raiser with 99.

[tjh]

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I would have led out here (if I called PF, which I think I would have) and folded to a raise.

Having checked, I'm not CR-ing, because it has to be for my whole stack, and 99 is not that strong here, and he isn't folding TT ever. If I come along at all, however, I'm calling with this line in mind: on a non A-K turn, I'm betting out for a little over half pot and calling a push. On an A-K turn, I'm betting out for a little over half pot and folding to a push.

I really don't like C/Ring this flop with that bet size though, because I'm not into playing for my whole stack against a PF raiser with 99.

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Quality response here !! Nice work. ...

By the way.. I agree...

I would have bet out on the flop but this advice is good given the actions that you have taken.

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tjh

[pineapple888]

I'm late to this discussion, but I bet into villain on the flop, specifically because I'm totally guessing on a CB otherwise.

Folding to a raise, obviously.

With your line, either raising (he's on two overs, blast him out now), calling (WAWB, try to show it down), or folding (screw it, he raised preflop) are reasonable. Darned if I know how to decide.

[DDH]

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I would have led out here (if I called PF, which I think I would have) and folded to a raise.

Having checked, I'm not CR-ing, because it has to be for my whole stack, and 99 is not that strong here, and he isn't folding TT ever. If I come along at all, however, I'm calling with this line in mind: on a non A-K turn, I'm betting out for a little over half pot and calling a push. On an A-K turn, I'm betting out for a little over half pot and folding to a push.

I really don't like C/Ring this flop with that bet size though, because I'm not into playing for my whole stack against a PF raiser with 99.

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Mostly I agree with that. I would have bet out ont he flop here, see how he reacts to the bet, get a feel for where I am. There are times when I will pull a check raise here, but they're based on having a read that just about eliminates overpairs from a hand range. If I read him as having AK, or big cards and that he will make a continuation bet with them, I'll pull the check raise. But, if you have a hand range that could include overpairs, then I would bet into him, probably fold to a push.

WA/WB? You're kidding, right? You're in a multiway pot with an overpair of nines. Do yourself a favor and Google "overcards." Or maybe bet the flop, which is almost certainly better than what you did.

[someday]

im always baffled by the amount of thought some people put into hands like this so early in the game.

at level 1 I couldnt fold it fast enough.