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Old 12-15-2005, 12:45 AM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame board

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honestly i don't know why i am still playing at this site.

1. the software sucks and i misclick constantly
2. i think most of the people are from europe, so mainly only multitablers w/ rakeback play when i play.
3. no one respects my raises
4. too many tricky tag/lags
5. other

anyway, this guy is of 25/8/2 after a hundo hands. he is pretty aggressive, but straightforward from everything i've seen so far. the only hand i've played with him before went like this:

cue prior hand-----------------------------------------------------

he open limps QJo in the hijack. fold, fold, fold, i check QJo in the big blind.

flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2.5 small ones)
i check raise, he 3-bets and i call.

turn 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.25 big'uns)
i convince myself to check/fold, and then i check/call.

river 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
i check call. my hand ends up halfway decent.

end prior hand-----------------------------------------------------

ok now the one i cry inside about:

i open K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the hijack. this guy coldcalls on the button and the blinds say goodbye (i told you i don't know why i play here)

flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5 sb)
i bet, he raises, i call. he seems aggressive enough to let me check raise him on the turn.

turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.75 bb)
i check, he checks.... ugh

river: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.75 bb)
i check, he bets, i fold.
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:59 AM
Guruman Guruman is offline
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame bo

i think i hate that.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:22 AM
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Hi Miles-

You seem like a really great poster and I think your brain was just out to lunch on this hand. First of all, when you're raised on the flop, shouldn't you either be a) 3-betting or b) donking the turn to stop a free card (unless the turn is an ace or maybe a spade.) ?

So, the king comes and makes your hand better. Seeing as you were probably going to bet anyway (I assume), why would you give a possible free card when your hand gets stronger? Two pair is obviously a vulnerable holding and while I know you wanted to check raise, I don't like it. Neither would aggroHushposter, if he were commenting on this thread :-).

You can't fold this river after the lack of strength you showed on the turn. I don't think I'm folding this river ever for one bet. He could have had QT or something and improved to two pair on the river.

I don't get what's wrong with the site either, except that you misclick with the software. People aren't respecting your raises? Is that a bad thing? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:09 AM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame bo

the bit about people not respecting my raises is a joke.

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or b) donking the turn to stop a free card (unless the turn is an ace or maybe a spade.) ?

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this guy does not seem to be a guy who takes free cards. to me it was like he would bet his draws to get me to fold ace high. i guess the worst part about this is that i did not reevaluate when the turn king fell - that really can't be a good card for him.

about folding the river, why can't i fold? put him on a range that makes sense with the preflop coldcall, flop raise, and turn check, and then consider that the pot is less than 6 bb when it's up to me.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:49 AM
Peter Harris Peter Harris is offline
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame bo

the river fold is fine.

the turn check is icky. You weren't sure villain would bet the turn and paid the price. Bummer, dude, but it happens.

3-bet flop and lead turn or call flop and donk turn. I just don't like risking a c/r on a flush draw playing zone board.
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:18 AM
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame bo

the only way I would check fold the turn in hand one is if my GF announced in the middle of the hand that for the next 5 minutes she no longer had a gag reflex.

in the main hand, going for the checkraise is ok, but I think once the K dropped I woulda donked, its just way to easy for him to check that behind, either cuz he has the FD and the K makes him think his fold equity is vanished (or just cuz he planned on checking anyway), cuz he has like xT and the K gives him outs and he doesnt want to get c/r, or just cuz the K scares him. Normally tho I just 3 bet the flop when im OOP and its very drawy.

River, eh, I think its close. I dont really think he has an A here or a 9. The flush draw is very definately a concern, but QT and JT both are very possible, as are some random Qx and Jx hands that he now bluffs with since you checked. Getting 6-1 here I dont mind a call, but I dont think a fold is bad either
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:39 AM
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame board

Man all the posts are screwed because you didn't cut it off at the turn. Conciously or sub conciously i reckon most of you thought "OHHH turn he checked behind, he played the free card play. I didnt spot it but i do now i saw the turn action". Hey maybe some of you didn't, But miles cut the action off on the turn next time then show it once you got some replies.

I reckon you played it fine and in the "heat of the battle" i'd probably not have thought he's going for a free card.

On the turn yeh you failed to see the king may suck for him but he prob thought it sucked for you anyhow and if he wasnt on a flush draw he'd prob of bet. Gee he may have QTo and wanting a cheap showdown.

I just reckon you got unlucky and the way it went is ok.

River fold - Well flush draw it seems so he just hit it so it makes sense. If it wasn't a T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and say a 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] what do you think of a bet fold?

If he is on a flush draw he will raise,
If he has a 2pair he will probably Call/fold.

I dont see him raising anything else, and you could of been on a flush draw yourself(Bet for free card/Fold equity, You check thinking he'll bet and want to call, You hit your flush and bet...).


I say if it wasnt a T, because now an ace will probably call with a straight even though he fears a flush from you.

On the other hand if he held 2pair or something i.e. QTo and wanted a cheaper SD he may now fold fearing a straight or flush but i dont have him on 2pair... Most likly flush.

So in conclusion since it was a T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] its fine, you just got unlucky.

Next time turn off the sound to avoid the gay "BEEP BEEP" and think "what does he have?".

I mean you bet this flop and didn't check-raise because the 2spades right?


I reckon you played it fine.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:02 PM
Alobar is right Alobar is right is offline
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame bo

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the only way I would check fold the turn in hand one is if my GF announced in the middle of the hand that for the next 5 minutes she no longer had a gag reflex.

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Alobar, I don't have a gag reflex, and I swallow too. I bet your little bitch gf Stacy doesn't do that.

Can you say DEEPTHROAT? <font color="white">just [censored] with ya dude</font>
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame bo

i hear you on the aggressive enough...

but this board is mad draw-y. giving a free card is teh suck.

it means he's aggressive enough to raise your bet with worse cards (and of course you have 4 outs) so you can bet/call again.

of course.... this begs the question why not 3bet the flop.

and i still dislike the river fold.

all the answers seem to lead back to this guy scaring you.

get off that site.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:10 PM
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Default Re: i give a free card w/ KQ and fold teh ribber w/ top two on lame bo

fine. fold on the river. but next time, lose more.
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